according to neg or positive going sound pressure and does the sound pressure goes positive when the dynamic resistance of mic decreases or increases ? . . . simply put --The first stage is a non-inverting AC amplifier.
Ac signals are being amplified, do you mean the source of AC signal is from MIC? Is it fluctuating dc type AC?The first stage is a non-inverting AC amplifier.
Yes, this non inverting amplifier is not an ideal one. The way the AC signals are allowing can understandable, the frequency at which the impedance of the capacitor is taking part. As we are dealing with audio output, case is more sensitive!The R2/R4 divider is there to provide 1/2 of the supply voltage (4.5V) to the non-inverting input. This ensures that the AC output signal is centered 1/2 way between ground and power, so there is room for the signal to move higher and lower by up to about +/-4 volts. Without the ability to go up and down in voltage, you would get clipping - or some of the audio signal cut off - which would sound lousy.
A general idea of an op amp is the output goes where ever it needs to to try to make the two inputs balanced. That's not a big technical theory, but it sort-of works out that way and I find it an easy way to understand op amps. In this case, the output will go up and down with the incoming audio in an effort to keep the two inputs balanced as the audio signal changes.
The first stage indeed does have negative feedback. That is entirely necessary and normal for an op amp that without some gain control might have gains of hundreds of thousands. In effect, even a slight voltage offset of the input (which is typical for op amps), could be amplified to the point that an op amp without negative feedback would simply drive itself to either the positive output limit or the negative output limit, what is called "going to the rails".
Yes, meaning full, that means this RC filter is making a bridge in this 2 stage, eaither for small load on signal or DC bias for second stage.The second stage is as you said, connected with an RC filter. It is somewhat a by-product of the technology. The capacitor is there to ensure the signal from the first stage gets through but the DC bias of 4.5 volts does not get thru to screw-up the second stage's bias voltages. Because it is going to the non-inverting input, the input has a nearly infinitely small load on the signal.
This second stage (which you may notice also has the required negative feedback), also needs to be biased but in this case only one side of the audio signal is needed because the output LED will only conduct one-way anyways, and putting the high resistance to the + input does that. So the two parts - the resistor and the capacitor - are needed, and almost by coincidence form a low-pass filter. Not a problem though, because the input draws such an extremely small amount of power, very little current is absorbed, so even an affordable 100nF capacitor in combination with a 47,000 resistor will have a very low cutoff frequency (the point where the bass drops off 3dB, a just audible amount). The cuttoff frequency of the low-pass filter is greatly affected by the input's need for current. A 2nd stage with a larger current draw would need a much larger capacitor value to retain the same cutoff frequency.
Not sure what current source you are looking for ... there should be current everywhere if there is a good battery! But maybe you are asking about the current to drive the LEDs to light. That current comes from the battery, thru the LEDs, and then thru the transistor to ground thru a current-limiting resistor. The transistor is driven from the 2nd op amp stage, so the current in the LED path is controlled by the transistor and it varies according to the level of amplified audio. That is where the negative feedback is taken for the 2nd stage. It also serves the purpose of including the transistor in the feedback path, so any odd non-linearities of the transistor is reduced. That means almost any general-purpose NPN transistor could do a good job here. Of course there is hardly a chance that anybody would notice a non-linearity between the volume in the microphone and the LED brightness - they will only see flashing lights when they talk, sneeze, screem, burp, clap, or generate a "trouser cough".
Yes, a good helpful note.((just incase https://web.mit.edu/6.101/www/reference/op_amps_everyone.pdf pg. 424,425))
actually i admire in these days someone taking time to describe anything at that detail level v-.-v
That depends entirely on the microphone. Many microphone elements don't even specify the polarity.
But I think it's not important. In audio, it's a guarantee that the temporary air pressure change will rebound to the exact opposite. If it didn't, then the air pressure around you would either continue to increase or decrease. Either way, you wouldn't be alive to worry about it....the point is that you can generally assume that any pressure increase will be followed with an equal and opposite decrease, usually within tiny fractions of a second - milliseconds.
In the final analysis, it will always center around the "zero" or DC level.
Pretty much every audio level meter ever made (LED, vacuum flourescent, or moving needle) takes the signal and slices it in half - rectifying it - before presenting it to the output device. Otherwise they would likely move so fast we'd never see them move.
Like a speaker - except for the lowest bass frequencies, you never see it move. And it always returns back to center. If it didn't, you would have a voice coil and cone shooting out of every new speaker.
you do not nevermind anything -- in this case the cause was an "uncommon" placement of inverting and non inverting terminals on a source schematic -- the sign error and it's population is one of the basic . . . . *← . . . . . that may //// ←* using the sound pressure's polarity example here and defining "inversions" derived from it's voluntarily assigned sign //// -- means the picked sign may determine whether some equations have a solution or cancel off to something like : 0=0 , 0=Const , or another uncertaintyNever mind the polarity of sound pressure.
you do not nevermind anything -- in this case the cause was an "uncommon" placement of inverting and non inverting terminals on a source schematic -- the sign error and it's population is one of the basic . . . . *← . . . . . that may //// ←* using the sound pressure's polarity example here and defining "inversions" derived from it's voluntarily assigned sign //// -- means the picked sign may determine whether some equations have a solution or cancel off to something like : 0=0 , 0=Const , or another uncertainty
Mr. Cheney's amazing "sign control" example -- which is absolutely amazing if it's not a pre-written speech -- illustrates here the actual extremely faint balance between consistent and erroneous
in the sound to light circuit the second stage is a weird beast coz it's input dc offset depending on input from the first stage ? how ? i speculate the minor draw from op amps input PNP as a component rectifying input to second stage . . . i wouldn't volunteer to go explaining it's operation by just glancing at the schematic
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the first stage description :: https://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/kde_tablet/Lab3b_new.pdf
(i hate this job) here were i get this stable // method = fuzzy logic error reduction (some of the staff may be relics from the process) // op amp model = custom wrong LM324 transistor model // 1kHz test (using speculative varying resistance electret model)
i was currently busy getting the second stage stable (and kept it never mind what the intended output originally was)I think the LED will look more effective if it is driven with a peak detector.
Could you recommend any solution?The datasheet for the LM358 opamp used here says that its maximum allowed negative input is -0.3V but the input of the second opamp is driven to damaging -4.5V if the input sound level is high. If this second opamp is changed to be inverting then its input safely stays at 0V and never goes negative.
Can't you read what I said? "If this second opamp is changed to be inverting then its input safely stays at 0V and never goes negative."Could you recommend any solution?
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