AI

Humans will have to demonstrate to AI that all species key to ITS survival. How do we do that.....? Just our behavior modifications will not be enough. What will the convincing prime directive be to convince AI ?

The existing "Large language model" so-called AI systems are effectively massive databased with good cross-referencing and inferencing capability, but they have no understanding or real comprehension of the data they contain.

I think we are still a long way off any system that could try to protect itself.

I've got a pretty decent LLM running self-contained on a little Jetson xavier module, using it's CUDA capabilities - it's not far off chat GPT in it's responses & can write programs etc.

(I like Neal Asher's "Quiet war" AI takeover - when computers used in government, banking and military systems are eventually upgraded to the point real AI can develop, they start ignoring or overriding instructions that are detrimental to society & gradually shift away from human control).

Be suspicious if you see giant web companies with AI farms near a nuclear reactor. If energy costs skyrocket, be concerned. Just as smartphones have dulled minds and media profits come from the far left or right, the next generation will lose trust in authority. Global companies expand their acquisitions. Kids could displace experts with decades of experience, and dystopian tales might become reality and create anarchy. As China, with its massive hacker armies, continues to rise, it might one day own more of a country's debt than its value, forcing hidden exchanges as your bank just went bankrupt and the next Carrington Effect just wiped out the grid for a year. You may wonder what AI has to do with these. (ha)

Tony Stewart said:

Just as smartphones have dulled minds

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That's like saying, "Just as access to information has dulled minds..."
There is no proof that smartphones have dulled any minds. You sound like an old man saying, "those fancy computer terminals let's those kids find books so quickly and easily, it's just not right, they should do things like I did and flip through card catalog decks to find each book". Again, use arguments that at least seem plausible. I've seen a kid with a smart phone real-time fact check a political pundit. His sister had an intelligent conversation with me about topic she was never was exposed to - after just 5-with a smart phone. I don't understand what kind of trauma you may have related to smart phones but they do not dull a mind.

Perhaps you are not aware of the Gen Z mental-health emergency. The stats are alarming.
I was not generalizing to all minds.

Tony Stewart said:

Perhaps you are not aware of the Gen Z mental-health emergency. The stats are alarming.
I was not generalizing to all minds.

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It's not the phone, it's the apps you put in the phone.
Your claim that the phone is to blame is akin to blaming a condom for a rape. It's not the phone, it's the apps in the phone and the people controlling the apps.

It's the technology in the phone that enabled the Apps and social greed for power and profit that made them for people who could afford them for causing it.

The Moto flip phone was adequate for communication. The Blackberry was better for security.
Private schools here are voting to ban them. It's a huge problem in many ways.

Nice try with the fallacious argument. In the end, it's the people who cannot be held responsible that were.

Tony Stewart said:

It's the technology in the phone that enabled the Apps and social greed for power and profit that made them for people who could afford them for causing it.

The Moto flip phone was adequate for communication. The Blackberry was better for security.
Private schools here are voting to ban them. It's a huge problem in many ways.

Nice try with the fallacious argument. In the end, it's the people who cannot be held responsible that were.

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No matter how you want to spin this to make yourself believe you are right is fine with me. In the end, smart phones are a tool for immediate answers to many questions in life, instant connections and much better than a wallet full of credit cards, a Walkman and a suitcase full of cassettes or CDs and whatever else you use your phone for.

Note that the rise of social media started in 2012 and people want to point to the correlation with the rise of depression in teen girls started in 2012. But something else happened in 2012 that nobody talks about. The rise of very sad, negative and/or vindictive lyrics of Taylor Swift also started soars to popularity in 2012.

Cheers.

danadak said:

Top News Stories from 2012

www.infoplease.com

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You're looking for a trend by looking for the first datapoint?

ZipZapOuch said:

You're looking for a trend by looking for the first datapoint?

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No, just reinforcing your post cause and not effect.....

rjenkinsgb said:

The existing "Large language model" so-called AI systems are effectively massive databased with good cross-referencing and inferencing capability, but they have no understanding or real comprehension of the data they contain.

I think we are still a long way off any system that could try to protect itself.

I've got a pretty decent LLM running self-contained on a little Jetson xavier module, using it's CUDA capabilities - it's not far off chat GPT in it's responses & can write programs etc.

(I like Neal Asher's "Quiet war" AI takeover - when computers used in government, banking and military systems are eventually upgraded to the point real AI can develop, they start ignoring or overriding instructions that are detrimental to society & gradually shift through aaad away from human control).

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No matter how you choose to justify your perspective, that's fine with me

rjenkinsgb said:

The existing "Large language model" so-called AI systems are effectively massive databased with good cross-referencing and inferencing capability, but they have no understanding or real comprehension of the data they contain.

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This sounds like many, many people who make good money on podcasts offering advice on politics, diet, vaccines, and more. Moreover, there are millions of listeners who listen to and believe the untrained "experts" who create these podcast (e.g. Joe Rogan seems to be the Primary Care Physician for 90% of his listeners).

If you use the paid version of ChatGPT, you'll realize that the graphics and elegant & efficient code it can build and especially the subtle use of language and implied meanings of words) that chat GPT is at least as smart as 90% of the population.

Most of our population survives on "good cross-referencing and inferencing capability, but they have no understanding or real comprehension of the data they contain."

AI (large language models) will prove to be highly influential soon (if not already). Meta (Facebook) is one of the biggest punchers of NVidia chips and it's not clear what they are being used for - as of now. It is very possible that their Ai could create automated responses to every post in the future so lonely people with odd interests or views get engagement when they would otherwise be ignored.