Alcohol Consump Frequency vs Amount

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I'm allergic to apple, so don't drink cider.
Beer on the other hand is too damn bitter for my tongue.

I only drink sweet wine, there are quite a few sweet red and white variants here in SA.
The really dry stuff is also a no-no for me, revolting taste.
You should try some of the sweeter wines, it really tastes different to the rest.
Like lekke juice, with a slight kick.
 
Wines.



Here's one Ernest and Gallo Restaurant Blend ? (Brand Name.) Most of their wine are cheep tasting so bad they make you shutter. However, I found a Restaurant version really good as a dinner wine. I can't seem to find it on their site however I can reach and grab the thing of the shelf here locally. Go figure.
 
dknguyen said:
It smells and tastes like dirty rotten mouthwash to me.
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Well, in that case every drop of wine is pure waste.

Besides that I belong to the privledged people without any sense of smell. I never hear people say: "Good smell or good odour". Instead I very often hear them say: "That stinks."

So I guess it an advantage not be able to smell, especially driving cross-country when farmers spray liquid sh.. on their fields. I'm not bothered at all!

Hans
 
 
polyphenols.

 
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@Hero999
There clearly are many factors in heart and vascular disease. Genetics is a huge factor. Read the original Framingham study, not the glossy interpretations of it.

The original study of cholesterol lowering by diet and lifestyle changes was designed as two tailed. That is, could such changes be either bad or good. Results showed no difference in death rates between the groups when analyzed that way. The study analysis was then changed to look only at possible good effects (i.e., one-tailed) and to ignore deleterious effects. A correlation was found in that way. Changing a study design, after it has been completed to fit desired results is scientific misrepresentation, if not fraud in my opinion.

Why was there no effect when analyzed in a two-tailed model? Because of suicides and accidental deaths. That is, the diets were so bad you would rather be dead, were depressed by them, or got killed while bicycling on a motorway. Even in the one-tailed analysis, increase in life expectancy was just 6 months.

If I were to die at 80, I would take good food, wine, etc. in exchange for 6 more months in a nursing home anytime.

None of this is to imply that people with really increased cholesterol should not be treated medically. My point is the over emphasis on just one measure (serum cholesterol) and its non-linear relationship to longevity.

John
 
boncuk said:

Besides that I belong to the privledged people without any sense of smell. I never hear people say: "Good smell or good odour". Instead I very often hear them say: "That stinks."

We actually discuss the smell of wine very often, but only when drinking it for the first time, thereafter, only enjoy the flavours. Must be a South African thing.

You make some interesting statements, John.
I know of a lot of people who improved their bad cholesterol from just altering their diet, and animal fat is a no-no.
Eating fat as a food choice is stupid.
We also have a thing here with people making biltong. They perform much the same process to raw cow fat and eat it like biltong.
Not good, tastes really salty and nice, they say, but not for me.
Someone else once told me that when a human or animal system tries to get rid of toxins, like auto-detox or something, it stores those toxins in the fatty layer.
then you want to eat that. Yuck.
If a restaurant put meat in front of me with a lot of fat on it, I go ballistic.
 
Role of high transfat's or increase in Triglycerides.

Hero999 said:
There are many other factors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Paradox

I visited the Ukraine a month ago and they drink lots of wine, eat lots of fat, one of their national dishes is lard, and they have a very high rate of heart disease.
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The types of fat suggested in the study stated the French consumed fat but the fat was not related to animal fat. It was milk and cheese among others.

Lowering the overall effect of triglycerides because they don't eat like Americans.
 
Funny.

I'm almost sure we classify the fat in cheese and milk same as animal fat. I think because, the alpha of it is that it's from an animal.

Needless to say.

Are fats in cheese and milk not also bad for you? I think.
The only good fats according to the brainy folk are from seeds and like stuff.
Ooh..ooh, that reminds me, I haven't had my daily intake of one cup raw sunflower seed. Better get going.
 
@arrie,
In the US, we have an ethnic food made from fried pork fat. Might be similar to what you are describing. The real biltong sounds good. I need to find a SA deli in Cleveland.

John
 
I've seen a documentary on the Atkinson diet.
Point was that it didn't work. I know some people have lost weight using it, but so have people doing some other weird things.
Weight-loss is also a state of mind I think. I think some people will stone me on that statement again.
The fat does not necessarily lead to weight gain, but, clogs your main arteries, that can lead to a stroke or even heart failure amongst other things.
Seed fats seem to have the opposite effect.

Hey John, the thing is biltong is not fried/cooked or anything for that matter.
You basically take the raw piece of meat, add some special goodies to it, usually spices, vinegar, oils etc. and hang it in a cool place for a long period.
The meat basically dries out, giving you biltong. You eat it like that, without cooking, for those not knowing.
We also have the pig fat crisp thing here, but I don't eat pork, quite allergic to it. I forgot the proper name we called it, but yes, from what I can remember it was very tasty, mainly due to being very salty.
Biltong is really good, but really expensive, places charge average of R130 per kg. That's rough considering the raw meat is much less, but we love the stuff, that's the problem.
It has been linked to high blood pressure problems, so I suppose eating the fish rather than the biltong is preferred.
 
arrie said:
We also have the pig fat crisp thing here, but I don't eat pork, quite allergic to it. I forgot the proper name we called it, but yes, from what I can remember it was very tasty, mainly due to being very salty.
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In the UK they are called "scratchings", you can buy them 'fresh' from some local butchers, or in sealed bags like you'd buy potato crisps.

Another lovely 'pig' food, is "black pudding", pigs blood and pieces of fat.

Both are delicious.

You're missing out not been able to eat pork!
 
arrie said:
Hey John, the thing is biltong is not fried/cooked or anything for that matter.
You basically take the raw piece of meat, add some special goodies to it, usually spices, vinegar, oils etc. and hang it in a cool place for a long period.
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I know. I looked up the recipe on Wikipedia before my last response.

My comment about fried fat was in reference to this:

arrie said:
We also have a thing here with people making biltong. They perform much the same process to raw cow fat and eat it like biltong.
Not good, tastes really salty and nice, they say, but not for me.
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I would still like to try biltong.

John
 

There is a difference in the way they process the milk. I'm not sure but I believe there is no pasteurization of cheeses. I'm not sure if they Homogenize there milk either.

It may be the difference in the way the body will use it. They have not truly concluded why there is Plaque developing. HDL & LDL is not just the indicator.
 
No I'm not Muslim, nor Jewish.
I'm really allergic to the stuff.
That and potatoes, nuts, milk, apples, oranges, mangoes, paw-paw, spanspek(don't know the English name, also a fruit similar to paw-paw), soya and more fruits. I can basically eat strawberries (well, most berries), grapes, watermelon, oh spanspek could be a type of melon, and I believe that's it.

I fell really ill while I was studying full time many years back, doctors wanted to put me in hospital with permanent steroid(or something) feed, and all sorts not nice stuff.
My doc got this great idea, they took a crap-load of blood, I almost looked like a raisin, sent it who knows where for testing. And that is the result. I stopped eating those foods, and I was alive again.
Funny thing was, while studying, every lunch I bought myself a burger and chips. Three big no-no's, burger patties here normally are full of pork and soya, plus the chips.
Interesting he. Oh, and the migraines, I had about three a day, five a week, that was not fun.
Now I may only have 2 migraines a year, you see I love chocolates too much to totally give up on it. But I can live with that.
Interesting.
 

No, we call those fat bits something else, but my brain is weak tonight, or alzheimer light, I don't know.
That black pudding sounds interesting, doubt whether I will try it. You can also wrap your mouth around some cow brain, sheep stomach or ostrich anus.

If you want.
 
arrie said:
The fat does not necessarily lead to weight gain, but, clogs your main arteries, that can lead to a stroke or even heart failure amongst other things.
Seed fats seem to have the opposite effect.
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Then why is it some of the studies have indicated an greater improvement in cholesterol in subjects on an Atkins style diet than a calore restricted Mediterranean diet?

I'm not saying that the Atkins isn't without its risks or is the best way of loosing wieght. I just think it's a bit more completed than avoiding certain types of fat to reduce the risk of heart disease.
 
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