Best compiler's for PIC

Nigel Goodwin · Apr 24, 2005

Jay.slovak said:
If you are serious about PIC programming, you should learn Asembly of the Procesor first. Only then you will understand what is happenning in the PIC. After you know asembly you can move to high level programming. Atleast I think this is the best way how to learn PICs...

Yes, I totally agree, you can't use a high level language effectively on a PIC without a reasonable knowledge of assembler and the low level working of the chip.

Agent 009 · Apr 24, 2005

I think one should also know the specific assembly of the current processor, not just any assembly...

Jay.slovak · Apr 24, 2005

Agent 009 said:
I think one should also know the specific assembly of the current processor, not just any assembly...

Ofcourse! x86 asembly is useless with PICs!!!
We were talking about Asembly for specific PIC!

Agent 009 · Apr 24, 2005

Isn't there any "translator" from one platform 2 the other?

Jay.slovak · Apr 24, 2005

Agent 009 said:
Isn't there any "translator" from one platform 2 the other?

I have never heard of such program. Its imposible to efectively perform transformation beteween low level languages...
That's why High level languages were developed, to help transport programs to different platforms.

upand_at_them · Apr 24, 2005

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GTAman said:
So there is books for assembly for beginner's based around the PIC right

Yes, and I posted one in my last reply.

Mike

samcheetah · Apr 24, 2005

i agree with everyone above in that you should learn assembly language if you want to efficiently program PICs. by programming in assembly you know about your hardware and its flexibility and limitations. and generally C and Basic compilers will produce code that is greater than assembly code (for the same task). although high level languages are inefficient in terms of the code they produce, they simplify the programming process.

and as for the question about assembly translator well even if there exist some program i would never use it. the reason is that assembly is very much platform dependent and an x86 and a PIC are greatly different in architechture and organization. so if you want to program in x86, learn x86 assembly. and if you want to program PICs then learn its assembly.

Jay.slovak · Apr 24, 2005

samcheetah said:
i agree with everyone above in that you should learn assembly language if you want to efficiently program PICs. by programming in assembly you know about your hardware and its flexibility and limitations. and generally C and Basic compilers will produce code that is greater than assembly code (for the same task). although high level languages are inefficient in terms of the code they produce, they simplify the programming process.

and as for the question about assembly translator well even if there exist some program i would never use it. the reason is that assembly is very much platform dependent and an x86 and a PIC are greatly different in architechture and organization. so if you want to program in x86, learn x86 assembly. and if you want to program PICs then learn its assembly.

Nice summary!

Roboticinfo · Apr 24, 2005

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So assembly is the hardest out of basic,and c?

Jay.slovak · Apr 24, 2005

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GTAman said:
So assembly is the hardest out of basic,and c?

Yes, but it's the most used.

Roboticinfo · Apr 24, 2005

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So how long do you think
it would take for a person that know's only basic to switch to assembly.

Do you think it would take a month or less if I went through the books and messed with it abit.

I know it depend's on the person but what is your opinion?

Nigel Goodwin · Apr 25, 2005

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GTAman said:
So how long do you think
it would take for a person that know's only basic to switch to assembly.

Do you think it would take a month or less if I went through the books and messed with it abit.

I know it depend's on the person but what is your opinion?

You should be able to do something useful in a couple of days, bear in mind there are only 35 instructions in the 16F PIC series - and a number of those you rarely use!.

Roboticinfo · Apr 25, 2005

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Only a couple of day's

Are you sure?

Roboticinfo · Apr 25, 2005

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How long did it take for you Nigel to fully understand assembly?

Nigel Goodwin · Apr 25, 2005

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GTAman said:
How long did it take for you Nigel to fully understand assembly?

I don't claim to 'fully' understand it, but I did 6502 assembler (many years ago), so PIC assembler is fairly easy to learn. The thing to do is start simple, and work up - that's what my tutorials are designed to do, give you simple working examples that you can then modify and improve.

You can learn a great deal by flashing LED's :lol:

I can't remember how long I've been doing PIC's?, but the first version of PicProg I wrote was for DOS, when the only EEPROM PIC was the 16C84. The DOS version (written using Turbo Pascal) evolved into the Windows version, and was renamed WinPicProg, the first versions were 16 bit only for Windows 3.1!. This was also the worlds first Windows PIC programmer, as far as I know! - I've never seen one that predates it!, all the MicroChip stuff was still DOS back then.

Roboticinfo · Apr 25, 2005

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So you know how to program all the PIC's

right :?:

Jay.slovak · Apr 25, 2005

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GTAman said:
So you know how to program all the PIC's

right :?:

Yes, considering that he writes tutorials for PICs :lol:
Anyways all PICs are very simmilar.

Roboticinfo · Apr 25, 2005

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True but some have special function's

Jay.slovak · Apr 25, 2005

Basicaly if you know one PIC, there is no problem to learn new PICs "special" peripheral. It's not that hard to open Datasheet and figure out how to set it up... I started with 16F84 and now I'm using 18F PICs and I advanced only by reading it's datasheet !

Nigel Goodwin · Apr 25, 2005

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GTAman said:
True but some have special function's

Most of the 'special functions' are simply extra hardware, the datasheet explain how to use them.

Mostly I've used 16 mid-range series PIC's, with a little 12 low-range series, I've yet to get around to playing with the 18 high-end series.

Best compiler's for PIC

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