thank you for u advice Mr.TiagoSilva
i will keep it mined
your are extremely right about data sheet of PIC
they are more than manuals they are sort of tutorials
by the way is it possible to damage output circuitry of the pic while working internal (because the pic i mention still able to program and erase but nothing send to out put pins)
and i have a crazy thought that is i'm going to connect pin 10 to ground like in LVP programming mode
once again thanks for your advice
does any one build lothar's ICD2 clone? does it work on MPLAB v7.61?
it's looking cheaper to me