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Hi mstechca,
You're asking for frequencies and 'Mark' and 'Space' . In the listing above the frequency with a (1) is the 'Mark', and (0) is the 'Space'. I'm sorry I didn't spell it out

I think you'll find your two frequencies in the Bell 202 standard.

TOK
 
Is the difference between FSK and AFSK just the way data is handled?

and what are the frequencies (in hertz, kilohertz, whatever) of the mark and space tones?
 
mstechca said:
Is the difference between FSK and AFSK just the way data is handled?

and what are the frequencies (in hertz, kilohertz, whatever) of the mark and space tones?

FSK- Frequency shift keying is where frequency is shifted from mark to space to correspond to the incoming modulating data 1 and zero respectively.

ASK is Amplitude Shift keying and the amplitude is varied from -V to +V to correspond to the incoming modulating data 1 and zero respectively.

Technically you can use any frequency. But standards are probably specified for compatibility. If you do not want compatability, you may use any frequency. ie. if you are designing both the transmitter as well as the receiver.
 
mstechca said:
Is the difference between FSK and AFSK just the way data is handled?

and what are the frequencies (in hertz, kilohertz, whatever) of the mark and space tones?

FSK is just a carrier, and you switch the carrier between two different frequencies. AFSK uses a single carrier frequency and you modulate it with one of two audio tones, one for mark and one for space - commonly used frequencies have been posted previously in this thread.
 
Nigel Goodwin said:
FSK is just a carrier, and you switch the carrier between two different frequencies.
thats what I thought. and how do I determine these two different frequencies FSK uses? I can't just go random.
 
mstechca said:
Packet radio has a universal frequency of about 144Mhz, so what is it for FSK?

The standard tones for packet radio are 1200Hz and 2200Hz. Bandwidth determines what frequences can be used.

Mike
 

The frequency shift used depends on a number of things, mainly the bandwidth available, and the data rate required. As someone commented eariler, it's mainly a question of matching the transmitter and receiver - for FSK it's EXTREMELY important that both are highly stable, you would normally use crystal control on both tx and rx.
 
Let's say I'm looking for 9600bps.

FSK has two carrier frequencies. We will assign them as x Mhz and y Mhz.

I make the assumption that one carrier frequency represents "mark" and the other one, "space".

Do I transmit 2200hz on one carrier frequency and 1200hz on the other carrier frequency?

I can agree that bandwidth determines the second carrier frequency, but how do I determine the first one?

Is there a manual that lists FSK carrier frequencies?
 
According to one post in google groups, one user stated to feed a DC voltage into the carrier frequency.

Does this mean that any signal fed into one carrier frequency declares that "mark" is being transmitted? and any signal fed fed into the other carrier frequency declares that a "space" is being transmitted?

"any signal" in this case means a high-pitched tone (data going at high speed, I think).
 
FSK is two audio tones that modulate a single carrier, you can hear it. 1200Hz and 2200Hz are low frequencies that were used at 300 (up to 2400?) baud over low-bandwidth and noisy telephone lines. All kinds of improvements in modulation allows 56k over telephone lines and transmitters. They use data-compression, error-correction and phase modulation. They use a lot more than only two audio tones.

Search Google for modems.
 
in fsk is the signal is decoded using pll or from filter o/p ?? i think both can be used and faster being filter type .right?
 
Nigel says:

Audiogurusays:

I'm very confused, because Nigel says with FSK, you switch the carrier between 2 frequencies. Audioguru says that FSK is equivalent to what Nigel said about AFSK (two tones modulating a single carrier).

Who is right?
 

A simple search soon finds relevent data:



I don't know if Audioguru is a licenced radio amateur?, but I was G8MMV, I've not been active for a few years now, but when I last was I used Packet Radio on 2m.
 
audioguru, I suppose you go through 100's and 100's of books related to radio. I think I'll have to go with Nigel on this one, because I have looked at wikipedia before I checked here again, and if a licensed guy is showing me wikipedia, then I guess wikipedia wins.
 
mstechca said:
audioguru, I suppose you go through 100's and 100's of books related to radio.
I haven't read a single book about radio. I think the prof in university talked a little about radios. Many magazines I read in the library taught me stuff about radios.

Are you going to modulate a single RF carrier with AFSK audio tones, or are you going to somehow switch between two RF frequencis with FSK?
 
Frequency-shift keying (FSK) is a form of frequency modulation in which the modulating signal shifts the output frequency between predetermined values.
so this becomes equivalent to an FM signal , where the carrier freq is changed WRT to i/p signal.

note:
ok..a google search confirms it ..
 
akg said:
so this becomes equivalent to an FM signal , where the carrier freq is changed WRT to i/p signal.
Good point!
FM is a very simple way to make FSK. But how would you detect it, it is DC modulation, isn't it? I guess you could scale down its frequencies with a counter then detect them with a PLL.

The problem is that MStechca's transmitter was an AM transmitter with a little FM on the side.
Now he can't afford a real varactor diode to allow it to produce true FM.
Also he is using an AM receiver.
 
audioguru said:
FM is a very simple way to make FSK. But how would you detect it, it is DC modulation, isn't it? I guess you could scale down its frequencies with a counter then detect them with a PLL.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that FSK is generally used with crystal control in both transmitter and receiver, this makes it simple and reliable. A simple FM detector will output different voltages for the two carrier frequencies, and you can easily convert it to logic levels with a comparator.

Many licence free modules use FSK, but they use AC coupling, which prevents a continuous DC output from the receiver.
 
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