To me, it seems that input impedance of the circuit is always infinity. Please point out what/where I am wrong. Thank you.
At cutoff the FET certainly behaves as though it were open, but at full on bias the FET doesn't behave like a short. In the full on case, gm may become large, but the gate still has an effect on the output current. The FET only behaves like a short if it really is shorted; damaged, with the gate having lost all control.
As gm -> infinity: Is this equal to NMOS is shorted and the gate lost all control?If we calculate the small signal input impedance and let gm -> infinity, the impedance reaches a limiting value of Rg + Rs||Rd - (Rg*Rd)/(Rs + Rd). This is equal to your Rg +Rp value with a correction term shown in red.
Yes, I see it.There's a difference in the DC resistance and the AC (and RF) resistance.
It may be true that there is no DC voltage across Rg, but if you apply an AC voltage to the gate, an AC current will flow in Rg. In fact, an AC voltage applied to the gate will result in an AC voltage at the drain, and that will lead to a Miller effect reduction of the apparent resistance of Rg. Therefore, the AC (and RF) resistance (impedance) at the gate will not be infinite.
If provision is made to vary the DC bias on the gate without interfering with the application of AC (through a capacitor) to the gate, the input resistance will vary with the gm at the particular bias point.
Can you explain more, why my calculation using infinite impedance current source is wrong?Also, the view with the current source being infinite isnt a good view because it is changing.
My confusion is why the method below don't work.
I am not quite understand this. The transistor is used as an amplifier, right? This means that it has to be operated in saturation and if so the transistor will never be cutoff, is that right?
As gm -> infinity: Is this equal to NMOS is shorted and the gate lost all control?
If gm = infinity then Id also infinity as long as Vg is not zero, and it seems that the gate lost
Yes, I see it.
Relating to input impedance, gm and bias point, how can you derive that conclusion? I think you based on the Id-Vgs characteristic. If Vgs increases then gm will increase and as in the input impedance formula, Zin above, gm increases => Zin increases.
But is there an intuitive way to know this without using the formula?
Here we dont assume anything except constant gm, which has been the assumption all along anyway.
One thing to note in particular however is that Vin is measure from gate to ground for this equation. That's not the 'real' Vin though because when we look for the input impedance it is for a circuit that is intended to be used with a previous stage that wants to drive the circuit normally, which means that the input voltage will NOT range from 0 to Max, but will range from approximately Vth to Max. This is important because for one thing there is no reason why we would want the input voltage to go below Vth as that would mean we would be out of the 'linear' range of the circuit.
This important point, however important it is, is made possible with the simple addition of an single input capacitor. The input capacitor allows the previous stage to drive this stage without worrying about the DC levels.
So this is our starting point. We have to make Vin=7 volts just to start. Inserting that into the main equation we find we do get 7v output.
Now we increase Vin to 8 volts, insert that into the equation, and calculate the output Vd is now 6v. Now with 8v on the input and 6v on the output we have 2v across the 1M resistor (Rg) so we have 2ua flowing, and 2ua flowing with our change of 1v means again 1v/2ua=500k Ohms.
So again the whole thing is about the output voltage changing and that makes the input current increase more than it would if there was no output change. The output voltage dropped from 7v to 6v while the input increased from 7v to 8v so we ended up getting more current than we normally would get through Rg. We got more current because the output went DOWN as the input went UP. We'd get less current if the output went up while the input went down and that would make the input impedance higher.
Yes, interesting, also I have just checked Zin in my calculation. Apparently, it is not dependent on voltage supply.Interestingly, if we increase Vdd to 20 volts, the self bias point is Vd=Vin=12v now, and increasing that to 13v means the output goes down to 11v, and so again we have 2v/1M=2ua and since we only changed the input by 1v again we have 1v/2ua=500k Ohms again. So for the perfectly linear circuit the input impedance is independent from the power supply voltage.
Yeah, I understand now. Because the voltage at two ends of the resistor change oppositely, the voltage across it will increase 2X and thus, current also increase 2x.The whole idea here is that an increase in input voltage is causing a much higher current through the input resistor than it would if the resistor was connected to ground. That's because the FET amplifies, but even more basic than the Miller Effect is the fact that the voltage change across the resistor is due to the change of TWO related voltages, not just one voltage change. The second source voltage change makes the impedance presented to the first voltage source look lower when the second source decreases.
We could model this very simply with two related voltage sources where one decreases by 1 volt when the other increases by 1 volt, and we want to know the impedance that the first source 'sees'. It would look lower because there would be more voltage differential than with only one source.
Thank you for detailed replies.
First, I want to calculate Zin by using Miller effect.
Here is an inverting amplifier with a feedback resistor RG.
According to the article Miller effect in wikipedia, to calculate input impedance of the circuit, we need to know the voltage gain, Av, of the circuit without feedback resistor.
If so it is an CS source with source degeration.
This picture shows the input impedance calculation with Miller effect:
To calculate Zin of self-bias stage I need to know voltage gain Av of the aplifier without feedback resistor RG.
Hi MrAl, thank you for the detailed reply.
I think there is a small mistake here but hope it will not affect much to the analysis.
Here is the circuit:
[LATEX]I_{D} = \frac{1}{2} \mu _{n} c_{ox} \frac{W}{L} ( V_{in}- V_{th} ) ^{2} [/LATEX]
[LATEX] g_{m} = \frac{\partial I_{D} }{\partial V_{in} } = \mu _{n} c_{ox} \frac{W}{L} ( V_{in}- V_{th} ) [/LATEX]
Therefore,
[LATEX]\mu _{n} c_{ox} \frac{W}{L} = \frac{ g_{m}}{V_{in}- V_{th}} [/LATEX]
And:
[LATEX] I_{D} = \frac{1}{2} g_{m} (V_{in}- V_{th} )[/LATEX]
The current flows through Rd:
[LATEX]I_{ R_{d} } = I_{D} + \frac{ V_{d} - V_{in} }{ R_{G} } [/LATEX]
Thus,
[LATEX]V_{d} = V_{dd} - (I_{D} + \frac{ V_{d} - V_{in} }{ R_{G} } ) R_{D} [/LATEX]
Or:
[LATEX]V_{d} = \frac{ \frac{1}{2} g_{m} R_{D} R_{G} V_{th} + ( R_{D} -\frac{1}{2} g_{m} R_{D} R_{G} ) V_{in} + V_{dd} R_{G} }{ R_{D} + R_{G} } [/LATEX]
The capacitor here, I think, you meant coupling capacitor? If we use it then we can bias the circuit to allow it operate in saturation region or at least make it on, without worrying about input DC level.
Thanks, that makes sense. Sorry, because I have made you state this many times.
Yes, interesting, also I have just checked Zin in my calculation. Apparently, it is not dependent on voltage supply.
Yeah, I understand now. Because the voltage at two ends of the resistor change oppositely, the voltage across it will increase 2X and thus, current also increase 2x.
If Vin increase n volts and the circuit has voltage gain = 1 => Vout will decrease n volts.
The voltage across the resistor will be 2n volts. Current will be 2n/ Rg.
Input impedance, Zin = n/ (2n/Rg) = Rg/2.
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