James Bond CIA Gadget Challenge

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joel85

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Hey guys,

The other day my friend and I got into a debate about Bond/CIA gadgets and he swears its impossible to create a lethal tazer small enough to hide inside the housing of a ballpoint pen. I came here to get some help from the professionals! Can someone please give me enough information on this (some equations or components list, etc.) so I can prove to him its possible? Any help is really appreciated because we have a pretty stiff bet on this.

Thanks!
 
Hi,

Maybe we shouldnt be talking about this. It could give someone some ideas that might lead to some real life testing that leads to a real life funeral. I can tell you it doesnt take much to do this but I'll wait and see what the other opinions are here. What i want to avoid is posting a plan to construct a device like this and finding out it was used on someone very undeserving. After all, it will be a deadly weapon.
 
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Well that little disclaimer just made me want to jump all over this subject now!

You would need some tiny high power batteries to do it which suggests starting with the small Lithium ion or similar ones the those tiny RC helicopters use.
From there its just a matter of setting up a basic switching power supply and an inductor to make a sort of open ended boost converter to change the low voltage high current from the batteries up to a higher voltage at a lower but potentially lethal current.

Possibly just using a 555 timer IC to drive a power Mosfet and a ferrite core rod with the right size and number of primary and secondary turns tuned to a correct frequency and pulse width could be the basics of it. If it was me I would be aiming for an output that could pulse 100 - 200 ma at 500 - 1000 volts.

Granted a DIY one may come out being more the size of a permanent marker but still with a bit of the right tinkering and a very well placed shock point near the persons heart its not impossible that it could kill someone!

But thats just me.
 
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I'm not going to post any info that would help someone build a "lethal" taser device, but in the interest of your debate and the question asked I think your friend is right it would be practically impossible to make a deadly taser device in such a small form factor.

Electric weapons in general are not that lethal except when a lot of luck is involved and the tiny size of the pen means the amount of power and delivery efficiency are both very poor making it much worse than other off the shelf devices.
 
I'm not going to post any info that would help someone build a "lethal" taser device,

I on the other hand am a proud sponsor of the Darwin awards and encourage as many people as possible to enter!

You never know who receive an official Darwin award with my signature of approval on it!
 
Joel85. Possible and practical are two very different things. It could in theory be done, but there's no way it would be reliable or certain to be lethal, human beings are extremely resilient.

It would be a far more efficient method of killing someone to simply stab them in the eye socket with the pen, any pen tazer that could produce a lethal shock would cause the person it was targeted to convulse badly immediately drawing attention to the assassin.

It's both a bad idea and a horrible bet.

I'm certain the boundaries of your bet are lose enough that neither of you will ever be happy with the answers.
 
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Exactly. Plus you completely loose the satisfaction of seeing that look in their eyes as they realize they are dieing and that you are one causing it to happen!
If they are worth killing they are worth killing slowly.

I feel evil today.
 
Risen caplets in the end of an umbrulla
Real story, the govnerment tries to tracks sources of Risen because of it, medically impossible to cure.
 
ppsst TCM, you're helping the terrorist by correcting my mispelllinz!

Death is always closer at hand than any human would like to admit, in the end, we are nothing after all.
 
ppsst TCM, you're helping the terrorist by correcting my mispelllinz!

Just doing my part to promote next years Darwin awards you know!

Although I am temped to see what I could come up with in the form of a small high powered shock device like what the OP is wondering about.
 
a taser the size and shape of a pen would require that the operator conduct the required lethal current also.... not very practical. one using a pair of electrodes also would not be very practical since the wire spacing at the tip of the pen would be small enough for the high voltage to arc over at that point. there are a lot more "traditional" methods that can be housed in a pen body that would be practical (and some have been used).... **broken link removed**
 
He said it had to be the size and shape of a pen, didn't mention anything about a detachable lead for the second electrode unclejed.

Again, just stabbing the guy in the eye with a pen would be a far far better method.
 
using a pair of electrodes also would not be very practical since the wire spacing at the tip of the pen would be small enough for the high voltage to arc over at that point.
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In order to kill someone with this tiny device, my assumption is that you would be interested in conducting current through the victim's heart. If the extent of the device is within the confines of a single-ended pen, then it won't do much more than piss the target off, or make a loud surprise-spoiling pop.
He said it had to be the size and shape of a pen, didn't mention anything about a detachable lead for the second electrode unclejed
If there's going to be multiple electrodes and wires & such, why not just house the circuit on the body, with wires going to 2 pen electrodes? much simpler.

Perhaps make the 2 electrodes at opposite ends of the pen. Maybe with 90° flip-out barbs to penetrate the skin and ensure mortality. just press a button, 2 little stabs pop out, and you slap the pen horizontally into the victim's chest, across the heart.
not much difference than slapping an icepick into the victim's chest. If I were the assassin, I would use an icepick; no convulsions, no uncontrolled vocalizations, very little blood, stealthy, bystanders (& the victim) would sooner suspect a heart attack than a murder.
 
And here I've been thinking that it could be fun to meet some of you people in person. Might just have to rethink that idea. Or at least stay away from any autograph signings. lol
 
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Hi,


I knew some people would still want to talk about this because some are somehow fascinated by the mysteries of death and God and such. I hesitate to offer suggestions myself except for some caution here.

As to the debate, the solution is simple. As i think the great Solomon would say, if your friend is so sure that it is impossible then he wont mind being the test subject for such a device
 
In case some of you haven't seen this.
Only a man would attempt this.

Pocket Tazer Stun Gun, a great gift for the wife.
A guy who purchased his lovely wife a pocket Tazer for their anniversary submitted this:

Last weekend I saw something at Larry's Pistol & Pawn Shop that sparked my interest. The occasion was our 15th anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my wife Julie. What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized Tazer.

The effects of the Tazer were supposed to be short lived, with no long term adverse affect on your assailant, allowing her adequate time to retreat to safety...??

WAY TOO COOL! Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home...
I loaded two AAA batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button. Nothing! I was disappointed.
I learned, however, that if I pushed the button and pressed it against a metal surface at the same time; I'd get the blue arc of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs.

AWESOME!!! Unfortunately, I have yet to explain to Julie what that burn spot is on the face of her microwave.

Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two AAA batteries, right?

There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently (trusting little soul) while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target.

I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie (for a fraction of a second) and then thought better of it.
She is such a sweet cat. But, if I was going to give this thing to my wife to protect herself against a mugger,
I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised.

Am I wrong?
So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, and Tazer in another.

The directions said that:
A one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant;
A two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily control; and A three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water.

Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the batteries.
All the while I'm looking at this little device measuring about 5" long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference (loaded with two itsy, bitsy AAA batteries); pretty cute really, and thinking to myself, 'no possible way!'

What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best.

I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side so as to say,' Don't do it stupid,' reasoning that a one second burst from such a tiny lil ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad.. I decided to give myself a one second burst just for heck of it.

I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and...

I'm pretty sure Hulk Hogan ran in through the side door, picked me up in the recliner, then body slammed us both on the carpet, over and over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position, and tingling in my legs! The cat was making meowing sounds I had never heard before, clinging to a picture frame hanging above the fireplace, obviously in an attempt to avoid getting slammed by my body flopping all over the living room.

Note:
If you ever feel compelled to 'mug' yourself with a Tazer, One note of caution:

There is NO such thing as a one second burst when you zap yourself! You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor!
A three second burst would be considered conservative!

A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at that point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape.
• My bent reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace.
• The recliner was upside down and about 8 feet or so from where it originally was.
• My triceps, right thigh and both nipples were still twitching.
• My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs.
• I had no control over the drooling.
• Apparently I had crapped in my shorts, but was too numb to know for sure, and my sense of smell was gone.
• I saw a faint smoke cloud above my head, which I believe came from my hair.
I'm still looking for my testicles and I'm offering a significant reward for their safe return!

PS: My wife can't stop laughing about my experience, loved the gift and now regularly threatens me with it!

If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
 
even though i think the story might be a little exaggerated, i am not surprised somebody did this....

the 4 words you never want to hear at the rifle rang (because you know you will need to call an ambulance), are "hey guys, watch this...."

i still hold the same opinion, though, a device the size of a pen is not very feasible.
 
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