I think I'm going to have to agree. Really what I was trying to do with this thing was build a pickit 2, I'm sure you understand the chicken and the egg problem. I borrowed this programmer from someone to get the firmware burned. But, I guess it isn't happening today. If I weren't living in South America this year I would buy a kit from Blueroom, but I've ordered on the internet here and I was not happy with the reliability of the postal system here, and if I have to send it back I will have paid for the programmer twice over. So I'm just going to wait until blueroom will sell me a chip programed for his new clone of the pickit 2 (hopefully it's ready in January when I'm back state side). Uffff, I wish JDM worked on laptop. With winpic800 you plug it in and hit program and it's done, no messing around. I built my JDM for $2. Blueroom if you are reading this thread....What's the ETA on the PIC kit2 clone? Also Blueroom, on the bottom of your pickit2 clone schematic there are a few VUSB lines showing that don't appear to be used, and in your picture of the working pickit2 clone you don't have any IC's or other fancy parts apart from the PIC with the firmware, just caps, diodes and resistors, does it work well, and is it possible to post a schematic for that programmer? PS good work on your website