ghostman11
Well-Known Member
Logan has now left,it is unlikely in the extreme he will be back. He has asked for permanent ban, but before i explain why, i am going to try and explain a little about Logan and aspergers, hopefully this will give you a better understanding.
Autism is described on a spectrum, Aspergers is a form of Autism that itself has a spectrum. Autism ranges from the very high functioning very successful types, all the way down to the sit in a wheel chair and dribble all day types. People with Aspergers share common traits, but they are all individual and unique. Diagnosis can be a real nightmare, it is certainly a double edged sword. It can open some doors but close others, so when you have a high functioning child with Aspergers, its a hard decision to go official. My wife and i chose to get LG tested, and see if he could get help. He was unable to read or recognize letters until around 8 or9, when tested for maths his ability age 10 was lower than a 6 year olds. Our first contact with the educational psychologist wasnt very good, the person we first saw had a formula that they applied to everyone, a kind of cure all approach.
This often will not work with aspergers because each case while similar in parts is also totally unique.
So o give an insight into life with LG I will take you through a few things. LG reads non stop now, he has only been reading for a few years, many tried to teach him to read all failed, until one day during a doctors visit, the doctor caught Logan trying to peek at his file. What he doctor noticed was Logan was looking right to left. So armed with this we go back to the educational team, and relay the information. Withing a month he could read very well, all that was needed, was to understand Logan is wired to read right to left then flip it in his head, you can only tell the difference by getting him to read very fast out loud, on occasion he will slip with the flipping and read the word backwards and in the wrong place.
It also transpires that he reads numbers the same, for example in one test they give the child a 60 digit number and get them to repeat it, its akind of memory test, a good score for Logan is around 3-4 numbers correctly.
However give him a 60 digit number and he can repeat it in reverse order so fast and so accurately, they had to tape him so they could check it later.
What does this prove? Nothing except that his wiring is different. He also has been tested on the more general IQ scales, he score very high, on most over 160 points.
So, so far we have a very intelligent child that has back to front wiring, how does this manifest itself in the real world?
Well Logan is what they call logical path transcription, He see's no colour in a situation, he see's no grey. Logan is almost binary in the way he views and deals with life, he has a almost overdeveloped sense of right and wrong. But the complication is what we see as right and wrong isnt always what he see's. This is very difficult to explain, Generally we use rules to decide what is right and what is wrong, for most high function aspergers this is slightly different, first the rule has to make some kind of logical sense to them, if it does then it becomes there law, they will not deviate from it. Where you run into problems is if you have what they see as a rule/law and its applied differently or changes, then they cant cope, especially if the new version dosnt pass the logic test, I cant describe what happens or how it makes him, the only analogy i can think of is he becomes like a floating pin on a ic. He simply cant process it or understand it, confusion sets in and he becomes severely stressed.
To try and let people understand how this works I will relay the following storey.
About 2 years ago we parked badly outside a shop, i got a parking ticket. Logan didnt understand why i was 'told off' , so i explained all about parking rules ect. Every time we went out and parked somewhere he would ask if it was ok to park there and what the rule was, if i could explain that it was fine to park there all was well, even if i said no we cant really park here but i am anyway,he would except that. The problems came when on occasion you find yourself parked somewhere that you cant work out is ok or not, or to put it another way, a grey area!
He would become stressed, because to Logan you either are allowed to park here or your not he cant deal with it being a dont know. So for about 6 months he read and researched UK parking law for our county, he wrote to councils and road agencies asking wich roads had which rules for parking!
In short, in 6 months there wasnt a single road in devon he couldnt tell you exactly where and when you were not allowed to park there! we are talking thousands of roads.
Our life went back to normal, he used to tell me where i could and couldnt park.
Now for non uk people i will explain a parking rule that sometimes applies, under most situations, if you park somewhere you shouldn't, the parking officer or police are supposed to give you 5 mins grace before giving you a ticket. One day we were at a carpark opposite a supermarket, waiting for my wife to come out. Someone pulled up to the doors of the supermarket in a no parking zone, Logan noted the event and mentally logged the time, within a couple of minuets a parking attendant showed up and started writing a ticket! Logan instantly became furious! The guy had not given the driver 5 mins, apparently according to logan he was 2 mins too early! He saw this as grossly unfair and very very wrong, before i knew what was happening he was out of the car and running towards the traffic guy.
When i caught up with him he was yelling at the officer and quoting the rules, he wouldnt let the guy get near the car lol, now this guy was very well built and well over 6feet tall, it didnt matter to logan, all he saw was a huge injustice being done.
This kind of gets me to the point. Logan dosnt see grey, he works mainly on fair/unfair, if he see's things as fair all is well. If he see's something unfair, all hell breaks loose. How he arrives at the whole what is fair and what isnt fair thing, is sometimes very hard to work out, but there is always perfect logic behind it once you know what the reasons are.
So anyway, he is leaving ETO, he refuses point blank to talk to me about it. He wants to be banned, now the reason for this may not make sense to you,
but to Logan it makes perfect sense. What worries him (and he is really very concerned about it) is that if he leaves, and someone sends him a pm, he wont know and wont answer it obviously. This is very rude to him and he cant stand that, so his Logic goes as follows, if he is banned then people wont/cant pm him, he wont have messages to worry about, therefore he wont be rude by not answering them.
I have pointed out that he can set his account so only people he follows can pm him, but he wont do this, to him that means making some people more special than others! (see what i mean about it being complex!).
So if EM does ban him like Logan has asked him to, then please dont think he was banned for a reason, its simply to stop Logan stressing over his account!
So what some see as rude and bad behavior over Billy, was actually a stress response to a situation he had no way of comprehending.
Jason
Autism is described on a spectrum, Aspergers is a form of Autism that itself has a spectrum. Autism ranges from the very high functioning very successful types, all the way down to the sit in a wheel chair and dribble all day types. People with Aspergers share common traits, but they are all individual and unique. Diagnosis can be a real nightmare, it is certainly a double edged sword. It can open some doors but close others, so when you have a high functioning child with Aspergers, its a hard decision to go official. My wife and i chose to get LG tested, and see if he could get help. He was unable to read or recognize letters until around 8 or9, when tested for maths his ability age 10 was lower than a 6 year olds. Our first contact with the educational psychologist wasnt very good, the person we first saw had a formula that they applied to everyone, a kind of cure all approach.
This often will not work with aspergers because each case while similar in parts is also totally unique.
So o give an insight into life with LG I will take you through a few things. LG reads non stop now, he has only been reading for a few years, many tried to teach him to read all failed, until one day during a doctors visit, the doctor caught Logan trying to peek at his file. What he doctor noticed was Logan was looking right to left. So armed with this we go back to the educational team, and relay the information. Withing a month he could read very well, all that was needed, was to understand Logan is wired to read right to left then flip it in his head, you can only tell the difference by getting him to read very fast out loud, on occasion he will slip with the flipping and read the word backwards and in the wrong place.
It also transpires that he reads numbers the same, for example in one test they give the child a 60 digit number and get them to repeat it, its akind of memory test, a good score for Logan is around 3-4 numbers correctly.
However give him a 60 digit number and he can repeat it in reverse order so fast and so accurately, they had to tape him so they could check it later.
What does this prove? Nothing except that his wiring is different. He also has been tested on the more general IQ scales, he score very high, on most over 160 points.
So, so far we have a very intelligent child that has back to front wiring, how does this manifest itself in the real world?
Well Logan is what they call logical path transcription, He see's no colour in a situation, he see's no grey. Logan is almost binary in the way he views and deals with life, he has a almost overdeveloped sense of right and wrong. But the complication is what we see as right and wrong isnt always what he see's. This is very difficult to explain, Generally we use rules to decide what is right and what is wrong, for most high function aspergers this is slightly different, first the rule has to make some kind of logical sense to them, if it does then it becomes there law, they will not deviate from it. Where you run into problems is if you have what they see as a rule/law and its applied differently or changes, then they cant cope, especially if the new version dosnt pass the logic test, I cant describe what happens or how it makes him, the only analogy i can think of is he becomes like a floating pin on a ic. He simply cant process it or understand it, confusion sets in and he becomes severely stressed.
To try and let people understand how this works I will relay the following storey.
About 2 years ago we parked badly outside a shop, i got a parking ticket. Logan didnt understand why i was 'told off' , so i explained all about parking rules ect. Every time we went out and parked somewhere he would ask if it was ok to park there and what the rule was, if i could explain that it was fine to park there all was well, even if i said no we cant really park here but i am anyway,he would except that. The problems came when on occasion you find yourself parked somewhere that you cant work out is ok or not, or to put it another way, a grey area!
He would become stressed, because to Logan you either are allowed to park here or your not he cant deal with it being a dont know. So for about 6 months he read and researched UK parking law for our county, he wrote to councils and road agencies asking wich roads had which rules for parking!
In short, in 6 months there wasnt a single road in devon he couldnt tell you exactly where and when you were not allowed to park there! we are talking thousands of roads.
Our life went back to normal, he used to tell me where i could and couldnt park.
Now for non uk people i will explain a parking rule that sometimes applies, under most situations, if you park somewhere you shouldn't, the parking officer or police are supposed to give you 5 mins grace before giving you a ticket. One day we were at a carpark opposite a supermarket, waiting for my wife to come out. Someone pulled up to the doors of the supermarket in a no parking zone, Logan noted the event and mentally logged the time, within a couple of minuets a parking attendant showed up and started writing a ticket! Logan instantly became furious! The guy had not given the driver 5 mins, apparently according to logan he was 2 mins too early! He saw this as grossly unfair and very very wrong, before i knew what was happening he was out of the car and running towards the traffic guy.
When i caught up with him he was yelling at the officer and quoting the rules, he wouldnt let the guy get near the car lol, now this guy was very well built and well over 6feet tall, it didnt matter to logan, all he saw was a huge injustice being done.
This kind of gets me to the point. Logan dosnt see grey, he works mainly on fair/unfair, if he see's things as fair all is well. If he see's something unfair, all hell breaks loose. How he arrives at the whole what is fair and what isnt fair thing, is sometimes very hard to work out, but there is always perfect logic behind it once you know what the reasons are.
So anyway, he is leaving ETO, he refuses point blank to talk to me about it. He wants to be banned, now the reason for this may not make sense to you,
but to Logan it makes perfect sense. What worries him (and he is really very concerned about it) is that if he leaves, and someone sends him a pm, he wont know and wont answer it obviously. This is very rude to him and he cant stand that, so his Logic goes as follows, if he is banned then people wont/cant pm him, he wont have messages to worry about, therefore he wont be rude by not answering them.
I have pointed out that he can set his account so only people he follows can pm him, but he wont do this, to him that means making some people more special than others! (see what i mean about it being complex!).
So if EM does ban him like Logan has asked him to, then please dont think he was banned for a reason, its simply to stop Logan stressing over his account!
So what some see as rude and bad behavior over Billy, was actually a stress response to a situation he had no way of comprehending.
Jason
