That's precious time that could be spent on electronics that's being wasted on getting Linux to work.To call it poo is like saying PICS suck because of <insert excuse here>. Most of the time it boils down to lack of experience and frustration. 'Cmon guys... screwing around in linux, modifying the kernel, extending the functionality of applications is really no different than building a circuit with a pile of PICS. Could you buy the commercial equivalent? Yup... but where's the fun in that?
Is this really the case? My impression was that Linux (and Apple OS) are less secure than windows and that if you actually targeted them it would be easier to wreak havoc than with windows...but no one bothers to. Windows is involved in the arm's race much more than Linux and Apple OS.I personally feel that windows is a inferior operating system and all the vulnerabilities that come with it. But that's my opinion.
That's precious time that could be spent on electronics that's being wasted on getting Linux to work.
That one actually made me laugh, as someone who has to read IDS (intrusion detection) logs, any machine connected to a network is a target and do get attacked/scanned. Where did you form your impression from? I spend hours cleaning off viruses spyware and bloatware off of friends and families computers all running windows. I have had zero... yes zero viruses or rootkits on my machines. Yes there are vulnerabilities in any o/s, but the way the kernel interoperates in windows does make it easier to exploit.Is this really the case? My impression was that Linux (and Apple OS) are less secure than windows and that if you actually targeted them it would be easier to wreak havoc than with windows...but no one bothers to.
I don't understand this one?Windows is involved in the arm's race much more than Linux and Apple OS.
I personally feel that windows is a inferior operating system
To say that Linux is bloated isn't true, if you strip it down to the kernel it can run on an old 486 with 8MB of RAM. However you'd be correct in saying that some graphical distributions of Linux such as Ubuntu are bloated.
I grew up with AmigaOS which, in my opinion, was a fantastic operating system in its day and was years ahead of anything else that was available (to regular consumers anyway). One of AmigaOS's main strengths was a lean, fast, and incredibly efficient OS which is what I think an Operating System should be like.
Yes, I loved AmigaOS, partly based on UNIX, including long file names and case sensitivity. It multitasked amazingly well, on small slow hardware - 1/2Meg of RAM and a single floppy is all it needed.
Most of the core DOS routines were separate commands stored on disk, and were written using C - in later years you could replace them with 100% assembler versions, making them much faster and smaller - these were all written by individuals and released as freeware.
That's a big part of the problems with Windows and Linux, written using bloated C.
Have you tried DSL?Ok... can you recommend a lightweight (but very functional) distro then?
I'm sorry, but I have tried to get into linux. My (this) machine can (could) dual boot and it seemed quite usable. However, two days ago I booted into linux (ubuntu) and was informed that a new version was available. I (or rather it) installed it and since then I have had no network access and the Nvidia drivers no longer work.
I booted back into XP and searched the internet. It seems I need RT61 drivers for my wireless card. I go to the manufacturers site and download the correct driver package. I then find I have a bunch of C files that I have to somehow compile and then somehow install. WTF, why isn't there an executable that installs it?
I'm sorry but if anyone thinks that linux is ever going to become anything more than a curiosity then they are mistaken.
I am willing to be proved wrong.
Please, anyone that thinks Linux is good, please walk me through getting my network working again. People call MS but in this case I had a perfectly good working ubuntu partition and when it got upgraded I had a pile of poo.
Oh, and BTW, guess where the help file for "can't connect to the internet" is. Yup, you guessed it, on the internet. FFS.
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OK, another day has dawned and I am now calm, so I'll give it another try.
Torben,
I can't plug a cat5 cable in as the router is in another room and about 30M away (50 if I go via doors).
One question, if my internet was working I could install the necessary driver automatically without having to compile anything. Why can't I get that same driver on a USB drive and somehow install it.
I'm going to try a reinstall of 9.04 and see if I can get something up and running. Will check back later.
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