Measure rotation speed

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Scarr

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Hi,

Anyone know of a method of measuring a disc (car wheel type) using any electonic non contact method? need to be able to measure from about 1m distance with good accuracy speeds between 60-120rpm with a narrow pickup point ideally (8mm approx)

Thanks

Steve
 
Put a blob of (white) paint on it and use a reflective photo detector,
Put a hole in it and use a direct photo detector,
Place a magnet on it and use a hall effect sensor.

Mike.
 
Put a blob of (white) paint on it and use a reflective photo detector,
Put a hole in it and use a direct photo detector,
Place a magnet on it and use a hall effect sensor.

Mike.
none of which will pick up from a meter away.

He needs the first solution with a really fancy pickup.

he did not say if it was a fixed system or a gun.

he needs a modulated IR laser and a TV remote receiver.

Dan
 
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Why do you want to do this.?
 
Ah, I read the 1M distance as the smallest distance the wheel would move. Having reread it, I think you are correct. Maybe the OP should describe the setup so we have a better idea of the limitations.

Mike.
 
Ah, I read the 1M distance as the smallest distance the wheel would move. Having reread it, I think you are correct. Maybe the OP should describe the setup so we have a better idea of the limitations.

Mike.

hi Mike,
If its a 'one off' trial the OP wants, he could affix a small 'cats eye' type reflector instead of your white paint, that should give 10mtrs with a simple blackboard laser pointer, with an adjacent detector
 
Most of the advice seems to be saying to build your own optical encoder. The easiest thing would be to install a commercial optical encoder directly on the rotating shaft, but apparently that is not an option.

This type of measurement can be improved by implementing a "mechanical observer" digitally using a microcontroller. You would want to get as many counts per revolution as possible, and feed the number of counts into the mechanical observer equations. The mechanical observer equations would provide position, speed and accelleration with good accuracy and low noise. Often people try to directly calculate the first and second derivative numerically from the encoder data, but this results in noisy measurements that must be filtered. The mechanical observer approach tends to give better results since it uses feedback to track the position, speed and accelleration measurement.

Note that mechanical observers can be improved if more information is available. For example if the rotational inertia is known and some real-time estimation of accelleration or breaking torques are available, the equations can include these effects.

The mechanical observer equations are relatively simple. If your research leads you to go down that path of using optical encoding and a microcontroller, just let us know and we can guide you further.
 
hi Steve,
From your first post ie: rotatation 60-120rpm, an encoder it totally OTT.

Like to help, but tell us what you trying to do and why.

Need more input.
 
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