yer i heard here in oz, 9 people now.. thats got to be pretty tough, collapsing bridges and you're on the bridge...
j.p.bill said:As long as there is an external enemy, allowing minor things like national infrastructure to decay is perfectly acceptable. Do you want good roads and bridges, or be perfectly safe from terrorism?
You might also not that defense contractors earn higher profit margins than construction firms (Mr. Cheny's being exceptions).
Also, historically speaking, there are still wealthy interests that are very dedicated to undoing all of the New Deal programs instituted by FDR. Be careful of who you vote for.
I think what he's trying to say is that as long as the myth of an external threat is perpetuated, the few folks in position to gain from that perpetuation will go to no end of sacrficing dollars, people, or morals in the name of "victory." In short, 9/11 was a blank cheque, which makes you wonder who had the greatest motivation to orchestrate the whole thing.j..p.bill said:As long as there is an external enemy, allowing minor things like national infrastructure to decay is perfectly acceptable. Do you want good roads and bridges, or be perfectly safe from terrorism?
I have a feeling that it may have not been a lack of inspection or lack of maintenance, but possibly the concenterated weight of constuction equipment and piles of sand on the bridge deck. They were doing a concrete overlay of sometype, and had some lanes closed. Somone on the news siad that there were large piles of sand and gravel piled near where it looks like the collapse started.
Several dumptruck loads of sand (one of the heavist things you can haul) could easily exceed several hundered thousand pounds. A five axle tractor trailer can't exceed 80,000 in MN, and even then, you have to have the weight spred over the axles. Plus there seemed to be alot of heavy machinery on the deck when it happed, plus bumper to bumper traffic. How much weight can one of these structure really take?
audioguru said:It is time for cars to be built with ejection seats to be activated when it drives on a collapsing bridge.
But they are competing for the same money, and guess where we're "investing" a trillion dollars.The people responsible for good bridge designs and upkeep are not the same ones responsible for fighting terrorism.
audioguru said:I think the bridge broke because of a combination of events:
1) There was a train running under it. Did the train de-rail and hit a support?
2) Earthquake?
3) All the cars were driving on it then they suddenly came to a stop and forced the bridge to move off its foundation?
audioguru said:I think the bridge broke because of a combination of events:
1) There was a train running under it. Did the train de-rail and hit a support?
justDIY said:1) the bridge was designed and built in the sixties and never reinforced to carry todays excessive truck freight loads and extreme gridlock traffic. decades of abuse and the sloppy work of lowest-bidder contracting companies led to its failure.
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