..this is precisely my point,...they CAN copy Altium, and sell it cheaply illegally, but when one encounters serious difficulties in using Altium, then one will be 'snookered', because when you contact Altium to ask them for help with your problem, they will find out that one does not have a license.Been to China. Came back with Altium. (not using it)
.....this isn't the same, that company WILL have payed for the Altium in the first place, but they just haven't payed the yearly maintenance and update cost.......when they next get stuck with altium, they will have to contact altium for support, and altium will say they cant give support until they pay the yearly maintenance.Worked for a company that uses Altium with out a key. (old copy)
Flyback said:For example, undercover "industrial spys" went to China and were not able to buy bootlegged copies of Altium, Cadstar, Pads, Pulsonix, Mentor Graphics.
I don't even think you have established the correctness of your basic premise. What's the point?ronsimpson said:Been to China. Came back with Altium.
YESBootlegging is a market-driven system.
With Eagle CAD I can pay for the software with every job. There are CAD programs that I can not make enough money all year to pay for. We all do what we have to to pay for "bread and butter" or "fish and rice".market-driven
The point is this....
lets make PCB Layout software free, then all this making them too difficult will go, and all electronics companies will have more ease in finding people who can use the pcb layout software.
Sirs/Ma'ams...we need to come together on this......make the pcb layout software free and all our electronics industries will be more productive....benefits all of us.
We need less government not more ! The current government is very unfriendly to business. It is almost impossible to employ people, taxes are bad, and osha and the epa are always knocking at the door....
The government could fund this and be reimbursed in increased taxes from more productive electronics companies.
There are places where people fund new technologies. Several ARM computer boards I have looked at were funded this way. Sorry I can't think of a name.We need less government not more ! The current government is very unfriendly to business. It is almost impossible to employ people, taxes are bad, and osha and the epa are always knocking at the door.
The #1 thing that supports the CAD program is the parts it supports.
Lets say the foot print, the symbol, the 3D model and the SPICE model.
So, if the chip manufacturer provided these and every CAD program could use those we would all be better off. Those CAD people have to spend a lot of time maintaining this database.
We also need a standard mechanism for the CAD program to interrogate the distributors for stock and pricing, so we can get BOM pricing in real time.
I'm find that making the footprints are the hard part in most of the packages. Hence, that's what they are marketing. Eagle doesn't support dxf board outlines.
I used to come home with pieces of red, blue and black tape on me. Today no one knows what I am talking about.My PCB layout experience comes from the Bishop Graphics era and tapes
Show me a program, above "solitaire", that does not need a manual.
I used to come home with pieces of red, blue and black tape on me. Today no one knows what I am talking about.
My God things today are much faster and better than back in the tape days
When I was learning EAGLE, I started from reading manual. IMHO, it was very poorly written and I couldn't figure out anything
Probably a valid observation. The instructions are often not intended as a tutorial. They are condensed, much like datasheets for MCU's are not intended as tutorials.I find that the manuals written by the authors of pcb layout software packages are all very poor......with eagle, its the externally authored tutorials that are the best.
Data? A quick search of Amazon reveals far more more books on Altium (12) than on Eagle (2), based on finding reference to the respective program in the title . A Google search on tutorial for each reveals a large number for both.This is the same for altium, though with altium there are fewer external tutorials.
I'm curious. Can you name more than three (i.e., "many") commercial programs for which there are no external resources?With many pcb packages, there are utterly NO external tutorials
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