hi again, I have not really decided yet on which software to use or which pic, as i said i am completely new to working with pics so have only read what i have located on the net and picbasic pro was one of the best articles i found. The pic can be any that will suffice, it is only that it is used in the unit i have so assume it will meet my criteria. I have not really looked into the different pic's available but will probably have to decide on one for general use so that i can get some ordered for playing around with.