Safely monitor 300v 10A current

jrichemont

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I have added a mains conditioner to the ring that powers my PC and AMP. I'd like to log (since the fuse has cut out a few times prior (hence this project). Measuring L-N safely is easy; juse use a little torroidial transformer to drp 250vRMS to 6v at 10ma and fiddle with resistors to get the voltagew right. Fully isolated.
Measuring the current being taken by the load safely is not so easy. I can put a low reistance hight current shunt from Lout to the load and this will give me a few mv/ma but still at 250vRMS which is a bit too close to turning my Arduino to a film of solicon oxide. Does anyone have any idea how I can measure current (16A circuit) at 250vRMS withoutuning resistor bridges (right voltage if all works but not isolated ftom HT. I don't think a transformer will cut it because either the tiny voltages/currents across the shunt or I could use one ratedat 16A 250v but that will drop the output to the load significantly; it's supposed to be the load after all, not part of it.

Any bright ideas welcome. Or I just stick to measuring the voltage - but I'd awfully like to know current use too. The idea is to use an Arduino or similar to log these 10x/s even if the power cuts out (microelectronics on battery) so when I restore things I can look back at just what went wrong. Spike on the input? Running the load too close to limits? Who knows but with 24 hours of good data I should be able to find the issue; I do need as much data as I can collect though. Without a visit from the electric utility, preferably.

Many thanks;
Jeremy
 
Analog Optocoupler ....


Some form of cal will be needed.

Or a digital coupler solution with a processor on source side, possibly it gens a pwm
that can be filtered on observer side to recover DC value proportional to pulse width,
the pulse width proportional to micro RMS or peak measurement.


Regards, Dana.
 
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Dear Dana, I', afraid your experetise exceeds mine and I have not really understood your proposal. I have tried to draw what I envisiage (I hope the link to my crappy photo works or please ask for it another way)./ I understand everything needed - the toroidial is fully isolated so either secondary may be connected to zero vots and the other used to ADC input. I halved the voltage just on general principal and besides one resistor can be made variable giving me exactly the voltage I want.
Actually, T! is supposed to go on the other side of the conditioner - I want to measure the improvement - but there is an argument for collecting both sides to compare. My wallet may not permit this though. Still, the 'good' side is better then the bad side.
Because the secondaries of T1 are isolated either may be connected to VDD and the other to the ADC input. The voltagle may be fiddled with and since the current is so low I don't think I need concern myself. An ADC should not really draw current anyway but there's plently more resistors if needed to rewduce it.

This bit is clear bto me. Next wew have the mysterious component X which is supposed to take the mini voltagle (1ohm at 300v at 4kv worst is still not going to produce much voltage differential. S1 may get a little warm though. Map havew to rethink the 1ohm part. My problem, anyway.

What I can't get my head around is both ends of s1 will be at 300v (I gave up writing 250cRMS. The night is old). And I do not want 300v anywhere NEAR my digital loggger. I don't think another transformer wouild work - 1mv at 1ma will just vanish unless I make the primary the shunt in which case I have just scuppered the whole point; there will be no power left for my poor load!

I need something that I can tie one end on to VDD without, er, exothermic disassembly and the other must have a sensible voltage differential of 3-5v. Aslo without the 300v part.

I can, of course use a bunch of resistors to step the voltage down ie 300v -> 100k > vout -> VDD and the same at the other side of s1 but my maths is too rusty to do more that intuit that thgis is a) dangerous and b) not likely to be both safe and produce much more than 0v at 0ma by way of output.

I need your superiour intelligence badly!



ps: The system (minus monitoring and shunt etc) is running now seeimingly without problems so I assume my 4kva was a wild overestimate. Of course, the PC states it's drawing 30W (CPU) and all drives are low current SSD/NVMes, only the graphics card is hungry and reports a TDP of 320W but I am typing this, not playing graphics intensive games but even so I think we can estimate 500W all in. I do have a 14Tb NASS but that's also all ssd and I guess uses around 10w.

Thanks for your time;
Jeremy
 
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