So, what did happen to all that warmth?

rmn_tech said:

1998 0.52 degrees Celsius ????????????????

Hot ????????????????????

That's just half a degree above freezing.

Doesn't sound like the best source for information.

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As it's presumably to do with melting of the ice caps, it's presumably a measure of temperatures at the polar ice cap?.

Not to worry since nature always compensates somewhere, somehow. For example, the Great lakes area has increasingly become a polar region in and of itself. Heck, right now outside my window there is an accumulation of snow on the ground with more on the way! Looks like I might as well pack my beach umbrella, towel, and sun-block lotion and move to An tarctica.

Yes, Mother Earth will eventually make the weather so bad, it will kill off the infection causing the problem. A global fever if you will.

Too bad we're the infection.

There has been many mass extinctions in the history of the Earth. It's rather naive to believe is can't happen again.

rmn_tech said:

1998 0.52 degrees Celsius ????????????????

Hot ????????????????????

That's just half a degree above freezing.

Doesn't sound like the best source for information.

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Try to keep in mind that this is gobal temperatures. We're not only talking about the tempreate regions where most people live.

The point, of course, it these are the warmest temps on record. If you don't like the source, then find a better one. I gaurentee you won't find any reputable records that show what the article suggested. Look at the graph here: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080116114150.htm Clearly, the article was dilaberately misleading.

BrownOut said:

Try to keep in mind that this is gobal temperatures. We're not only talking about the tempreate regions where most people live.

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O.K. So if you are talking global temperatures, why show temperature examples from one small area of the globe.

Globally the so called temperate regions including the oceans and seas (which have a great impact on global temperature) are many times greater than the polar regions, that your temperature list seems to come from.

These are global figures and are based on average temperatures.

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I just don't know why that is so hard to undertand.

hi,
If there is any doubt the overall global temperature is rising look at this NASA link.

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I guess these guys what they are talking about.

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Summary

Based on science from the IPCC 4th Report, and consistent with observed increases in global temperature, there have been:

- decreases in the length of river and lake ice seasons.

- worldwide reduction in glacial mass and extent in the 20th century.

- melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet has recently become apparent.

- snow cover has decreased in many Northern Hemisphere regions.

- sea ice thickness and extent have decreased in the Arctic in all seasons.

- the oceans are warming

- sea level is rising due to thermal expansion of the oceans and melting of land ice.



The rapid rise in global temperature is unmatched in the last million years. Normally, and when the Earth has warmed after an ice age, it is a gradual process taking about 5,000 years.

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A million years? Wow... That 's a completely pointless number =) The earth is 5 BILLION years old, looking at a 1 million year time scale and drawing a hundred year conclusion is completely idiotic =O We don't even have accurate climate data for the last 100 years, scientists are at BEST guessing at what's going on.

There are methods that can be used to determine atmospheric conditions over the last million years. It's not pointless, as this data shows the temperature and humidity conditions for a very long and important time in Earth's history. They can be correlated with sample data taken today to show how things have changed, and what natural and unnatural cycles are responsible.

The only thing that's idiotic is ignoring the story the Earth is telling.

The thing to pay attention to is the rate of temperature rise as opposed to absolute temperature rise. The rate of the global temperature increase is unprecedented in history. As pointed out by NASA in Eric's quote, "The rapid rise in global temperature is unmatched in the last million years." If there is any deception about global warming, it is coming from the so called scientists who are on the payroll of Esso, Shell, GM, Ford, etc.

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A million years? Wow... That 's a completely pointless number =) The earth is 5 BILLION years old, looking at a 1 million year time scale and drawing a hundred year conclusion is completely idiotic =O We don't even have accurate climate data for the last 100 years, scientists are at BEST guessing at what's going on.

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Ice core samples give pretty accurate data on many climate data points. CO2 for example. **broken link removed**

ericgibbs said:

hi,
If there is any doubt the overall global temperature is rising look at this NASA link.

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I guess these guys what they are talking about.

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But on the other hand, Eric:

Dr. John S. Theon:
Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former boss of global warming alarmist James Hansen of NASA, rebukes him declaring “climate models are useless.” “My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit,” “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results."

AllVol said:

But on the other hand, Eric:

Dr. John S. Theon:
Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former boss of global warming alarmist James Hansen of NASA, rebukes him declaring “climate models are useless.” “My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit,” “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results."

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Without supporting data from Hansen, he is just stating opinion.

Dr. Hansen is a foremost climatologist, and very aware of the warming effects. He is on the leading edge of global wamring research.

The rapid rise in global temperature is unmatched in the last million years.

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If you were a scientist, knowing that the planet is approximately five billion years old and used the words 'last 1 million years' and 'unmatched' in the same sentence you should be laughed out of academia. That's only 1/10th of 1 percent of planetary time, there's no basis to panic from that, to take note of and compare with other periods of time and determine the root cause and future actions sure, but that's all.

Is global warming occurring? Yes, it's been observed with scientifically accepted measuring methods. Has it occurred in our past? Yes, and on a higher gradient than has been observed in the last million years on both the increase or decrease side. 99.9% or more of everything you will ever read about global warming is political in nature and has nothing to do with hard science, the numbers can be tweaked any which way you want them to be when you look at them from a different angle, but not from one which simply wants to understand what the numbers are saying and how they're related to each other. This bull crap about human interest needs to be removed from the picture before the hard science can be studied.

For much of th 4.5 billion years you keep briging up, the Earth was uninhabitable, so that argument is irrelevant. Humans have only appeared in the last million years or so, thus that is the important perios to look at. No, you would not be laughed at. This is important. Further, records show the most distinct rise in global temperatures during the last 100 years, to correlate with the period of the industrial revolution. And, in the last few decades, that rise in temperature has increased even faster. The numbers aren't lying. This is hard science.

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Yes, and on a higher gradient than has been observed in the last million years on both the increase or decrease side.

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Can you post a link to this data please? I was not aware of this and always heard the opposite.

Filehanerozoic Climate Change.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Geologic temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's Wiki science mind you.

I'm not trying to defend our environmental responsibility or deny global warming is occurring. But it is a plain and simple fact that we can not possible directly cause an absolutely massive change in the global temperature, we can at BEST influence an existing change in the system which we are of course doing.

At the end of the day, there are MANY competing theories, some better than others, and the truth is that not a single one of them contains the whole picture and only time and study will provide more information about what is actually occurring, and more importantly why. Even within individual models of climate change the number of variables are so high we really only have the vaguest of clues as to what's going on.

Trying to conserve and use energy resources better is the in the best interest of both people and the environment overall. But all the sensationalism on every side of the global warming question just makes me absolutely sick.

I don't think there were many humans 300 million years ago. What happened to the masters of the Earth from that time? Here's a hint: you can see them only in museums now. The last graph from your "Wiki" link shows something interesting: in the last 10,000 years, the period in which humans made their most dramatic progress, and spread throughout the world, invented languages, mathematics, engineering and so forth, the worlds temperature has been very stable, and cool. That is, until the last 150 years, that correlates perfectly with the beginning of the industrial revolution. During that period, fossil fuels began to be used for the first time in Earth's history. The graph from that period forward only goes up. And the closer to our present time, the faster the graph rises.

Global warming makes sense, not just from a historical standpoint, but also from a physical standpoint. The occurrence of other phenomena that affects Earth's temp does not mean that these effects, man made, cannot produce a change. A younger Earth, with much more volcanic activity and more acidic atmosphere has little in common with Earth today..Once one understands the principles involved, then he can see more clearly how this activity is affecting our climate, and how this correlates perfectly with historical data. The data confirms the theory; our activities are clearly affecting a change in global climate.