Soldering station information request

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123mmm

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• Aug 18, 2019

• #1

Hello,
I have a Gordak soldering iron and I want to build a circuit to control this soldering iron.
I chose the attached schematic.
Unfortunately, I did not found the needed triac at the store (TR1).
1. What substitute do you recommend for this triac ?
2. Does R5 protect the soldering iron from overheating if the thermocouple is accidentally disconnected ?

 

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Nigel Goodwin

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• Aug 18, 2019

• #2

123mmm said:

Hello,
I have a Gordak soldering iron and I want to build a circuit to control this soldering iron.
I chose the attached schematic.
Unfortunately, I did not found the needed triac at the store (TR1).
1. What substitute do you recommend for this triac ?
2. Does R5 protect the soldering iron from overheating if the thermocouple is accidentally disconnected ?

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A TIC206 is a VERY, VERY common small plastic thyristor, if your store doesn't keep it then they probably don't keep any at all, order it on-line.

You are correct about R5, it turns the element OFF if the thermocouple goes O/C.

 

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123mmm

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• Aug 18, 2019

• #3

1. Assuming that I have a new schematic, can R8, R7 be safely replaced by 3k3 and R19 be safely replaced by 2k2 ?
2. What is the functionality of IC1B, in the attached schematic ?

 

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Nigel Goodwin

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• Aug 18, 2019

• #4

123mmm said:

1. Assuming that I have a new schematic, can R8, R7 be safely replaced by 3k3 and R19 be safely replaced by 2k2 ?

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Yes.

2. What is the functionality of IC1B, in the attached schematic ?

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No idea, it's output isn't going anywhere, the only thing I can imagine is that it's used as thermal feedback for the entire IC, bearing in mind they are all on the same chip of silicon. Or it's a rather silly method of getting rid of the unused fourth opamp?

 

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123mmm

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• Aug 18, 2019

• #5

Does the above schematic have protection for soldering iron overheating if the thermocouple gets accidentally disconnected ?

 

Nigel Goodwin

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• Aug 18, 2019

• #6

Not as I can see, unless that's the purpose of the spurious IC1B, and there's a connection that's not shown.

 

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123mmm

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• Aug 19, 2019

• #7

If the schematic does not have protection, then what is the role of R14 and R024 ?

 

Nigel Goodwin

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• Aug 19, 2019

• #8

It's difficult to say what they are doing, particularly with the strange IC1B.

 

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123mmm

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• Aug 20, 2019

• #9

I built the attached schematic, and I made a PCB by copying the pcb from the image. I found that it works. I used a Gordak soldering iron

I set the maximum temperature from W2 (approx. 8-9mV) and the minimum temperature from W4 (approx. 19.5mV). Is that correct?

 

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Nigel Goodwin

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• Aug 20, 2019

• #10

No idea, can you measure the actual tip temperature? - then adjust accordingly.

 

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123mmm

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• Aug 20, 2019

• #11

Does anybody know which trimmer is for setting the minimum temperature and which trimmer is for setting the maximum temperature ?

 

Nigel Goodwin

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• Aug 20, 2019

• #12

W2 sets the 'range' of the temperature variation, W4 sets either the top or bottom end - easy to tell which when you set it up.

 

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123mmm

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• Aug 21, 2019

• #13

Does the schematic has a power off mode for the soldering iron when the thermocouple voltage rise above a certain value ?

 

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123mmm

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• Sep 2, 2019

• #14

Hello,

I built the attached schematic and I wanted to find if the TL431 oscillates, using an oscilloscope.
I tested by connecting the ground probe to the 220uF capacitor ground and the detachable hook to TL431 catode.
The measurements were made when the soldering iron was connected into the circuit.

Can you please explain if there are oscillations in the screenshots ?

 

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123mmm

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• Mar 27, 2020

• #15

Hello, Does Rx1 (100k at the thermocouple amplifier block) protect the soldering iron from overheating if one or both thermocouple wires are disconnected ?
The project is from: http://electronics.vlzqz.com/home/lm324-analog-soldering-station

Also, I saw that using MOC3041 makes the LED flashing at a higher frequency in comparison to when using MOC3021. Which one, between MOC3041 and 3021 is recommended for this project ?

 

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