Maybe it was like this:
If you consider your number real then root is positive. (operating in real set)
If you consider your number complex (although it has no imaginary part)
then result is both negative and positive.
(operating in complex set)
But I still don't understand why?
But mind that you still had to root the positive modulus, and this is real rooting which result is always positive and single.
Now isn't that the truth3v0 said:There are always 2 square roots. But if we are working with lengths, ages, area etc the negative square root is discarded because it does not make sense.
A lot of people go nuts with numbers and do not relate it back to the problem they are solving, what they are modeling. They come up with nonsense answers that had the preserved the units and did some thinking they would see are clearly wrong.
Of course when we number the pins of the chips we use we call the first pin "0" because it is never really there and this must make sense or we would not label it so.
Additionally when electrons flow from the negative terminal of a battery we say the current runs from positive to negative because it is never really there and we invent a hole for where it should be to explain the sense of why we do this .
No my friend . When you study Electronics at Uni you will be told that electrons flow in one direction and holes in the other .
Hmmf well good for you . I too went to uni for EE -it was fed to me there repeatedlyI've studied Electronics at Uni, and they NEVER said that there are holes anywhere besides semiconductor devices. You have to learn the chemistry behind semiconductors in order to understand the theory of "holes". They do not exist in wires or any other solid material.. How about you read up on how electronics work, what current is, how it flows, and while you're at it you should look up semiconductors and learn what holes really are. I don't mean to be rude, but you're sounding absolutely clueless right now. I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.
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Hmmf well good for you . I too went to uni for EE -it was fed to me there repeatedly
To give a current example (pun intended) Forrest M Mims 111 was very active teaching my generation and is still reproduced by such as Master Publishing and sold by Sparkfun today. He is deservedly highly respected !
below are three bits of his work ammended since his original publications and the hole theory is getting less used and comes with more explanations these days but is still pretty much balderdash to cover a reluctance to show current (electron) flow correctly
I've studied Electronics at Uni, and they NEVER said that there are holes anywhere besides semiconductor devices. You have to learn the chemistry behind semiconductors in order to understand the theory of "holes". They do not exist in wires or any other solid material.
... hole theory is getting less used and comes with more explanations these days but is still pretty much balderdash to cover a reluctance to show current (electron) flow correctly
Hmm Thank You .I'm interested in this . How do you see it as a small change in time scenario ? I often thought along the lines of hanging steel balls. lift and drop one and the free to move last ball gets the momentum. How long do you reckon it takes for the force to traverse a long chain of these as steel balls . Speed of light or otherwise (steel balls only)?Now let's take on Mims' statements. In the first page you submitted, he says that electrons travel at the speed of light. Not true. The electric field that drives them does, but the electrons travel a a much slower rate called the drift velocity. This is true for electrons in wires or a vacuum tube. The analogy is that of a hose filled with marbles. Push a marble in at one end, and a different marble pops out at the opposite end. After many successive insertions, it takes a long time for the first inserted marble to exit out other end due to its slow drift velocity.
Ratch
Hmm Thank You .I'm interested in this . How do you see it as a small change in time scenario ? I often thought along the lines of hanging steel balls. lift and drop one and the free to move last ball gets the momentum. How long do you reckon it takes for the force to traverse a long chain of these as steel balls . Speed of light or otherwise (steel balls only)?
Hmm Thank You .I'm interested in this . How do you see it as a small change in time scenario ? I often thought along the lines of hanging steel balls. lift and drop one and the free to move last ball gets the momentum. How long do you reckon it takes for the force to traverse a long chain of these as steel balls . Speed of light or otherwise (steel balls only)?
In your assertion for electron insertion and the push imparted are you saying the next field is compressed on one side and this forces an expansion of that field on the other side which compresses the next and so on to propogates down the metal strand? How exactly do you think this works?
Thanks - I was really just trying to see how you see it in your mind's eye. Rather than analogies how do you think it might be happening . What do you personally think might be going on rather than repeating what you might have learnt verbatim/parrot style..?Most people have suspicions of what they think is really going on and I am enquiring as to yours.april,My description of a marble filled hose is an analogy which illustrates a principle. Specifically, it shows that something that moves very slowly can collectively cause an effect a long distance away. My analogy is not a model for charge carrier flow in a conductor. I don't know what your description of momentum conservation is supposed to illustrate. Anyway, the speed of the individual electrons (drift velocity) in a typical wire is about the same as cold molasses, but the electrons exit the wire at almost the same instant they entered the wire. The electric field that drives the electrons moves at the speed of light, but the electrons do not. The electrons that first exit the wire are not the first electrons that enter the wire. Forrest Mims does not seem to know that.Ratch
What do you personally think might be going on rather than repeating what you might have learnt verbatim/parrot style..?Most people have suspicions of what they think is really going on and I am enquiring as to yours.
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