STUN GUN

A transformer is not made with an iron bolt!
A little 9V battery that measures only 7.26V is dead. A brand new 9V alkaline battery does not have enough power for a stun gun circuit.

Nigel Goodwin said:

Yes, it's a criminal offence and penalties can include jail time!.

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i just thought i would add a comment.........it is actualy a very serious offence in the uk and is dealt with under the firearms act, a son of a friend of mine built a device from one of those insect killing bat things it wasnt very powerful (wasnt well made) but he was stupid enough to take it out the house one night and got searched by the police (just a group of kids hanging about) to cut a long storey short he is serving 2 years in prison for possesion of said item. as far as i can remember its a mandatory prison sentence as it is classed the same as a firearm. i dont want to spoil anyones fun but prison is a heavy price for any project plus you run the risk of being shot by armed police.............is it really worth it????

Wow... Building one is a bit sketchy but walking around with a home made stun gun in the UK? Wow... just... wow! I'm not sure what the laws are here in the US but I think they're significantly more relaxed.

Stun guns were legal in the US. When did they get banned?

Sceadwian said:

Wow... Building one is a bit sketchy but walking around with a home made stun gun in the UK? Wow... just... wow! I'm not sure what the laws are here in the US but I think they're significantly more relaxed.

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They certainly are quire strict here in the UK, and rightly so.

The laws for carrying/owning weapons in the US are definiately more relaxed. Although in the UK, carrying a stungun, be it homemade or otherwise, isn't as bad as barrying a live firearm (which carries a mandatory 5 year sentence I believe) it is still a major offence. This is probably because we don't feel we 'need' guns in the UK, or any form of weapon, as it just continues to escalate violent offences. You carry a knife, so someone carries a bigger knife, you carry a stungun, they carry a gun...etc... its fear and paranoia that encourages this, so the laws are specifically strict to prevent it.

As for the 'original' topic....stunguns.... I'm still hazy as to the point of owning one. But form a technical point of view, they are generally crude devices built for low cost. I tihnk anyone who is responsible enough to own one, either has the knowledge to design their own, or, has the intelligence to work it all out for themselves.

I tihnk I have already replied to this thread some time ago, and I beileve I mentioned about 'average power'. I do not wish to give any information that coudl help someone build one, but it should be noted that for the DIY'er, there are fine lines between a device that can give a nasty shock, one that can cause tetanization...and one that can kill. Anyone can simply 'add more power' to a circuit, the difficult part is making it non-lethal, but still give a potential attacker an incentive.

I apologise, I shall try to curb any political/personal opinions, but I wanted to backup ghostman (being a Brit myself.....one who just so happens to love Devon). Different culture, different rules.

Sceadwian we have some the toughest guns laws in the world, not only that but you can serve 5+ years plus for carrying a pocket knife eigther with a lock blade or a blade over 3", recently over here on the news was a court case of a man who had found a sawnoff shotgun in his garden that had been dumped, he took it to the police station to hand in and although they belived his storey thay arrested him on the spot for possesion of a firearm and took him to court, i dont know what happened to him as i was away and didnt hear the rest but it was looking likely that he would get 5years mandotory!!
so like i say my advice to anyone in the uk is dont bother playing with the likes of stun guns its just not worth it.

actualy blueteeth most my familly live in hemel hempstead hertfordshire lol i know idea where abouts you are tho

smanches I think you misread the posts. They're banned in the UK. They're legal in the U.S. Although I think there may be laws against carrying some of the bigger ones or the ones with launched probe tips.

Sceadwian said:

Although I think there may be laws against carrying some of the bigger ones or the ones with launched probe tips.

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and yet over there you can carry gun wich only realy has one purpose!! seems a bit odd to a Brit

Guns have many purposes ghostman or there wouldn't be (as of the 04 olympics) 10 mens and 7 womens events for firearms. I've always been a big fan of target shooting with a .22 caliber rifle. BB guns juts don't quiet count though many of the olympic events are basically bbguns.

Are BB/pellet/paintball guns legal in the UK?
And 'over here' we can only carry a gun legally with a permit.

Reviving An Old Thread

I am in the USA, where "Stun Guns" are legal in most states.

Today, there a fewer people seeking to build Stun Guns from schematics. Rather, the trend now is to "modify" existing, commercially-made units to increase the Amperage delivered, while leaving the unit looking like an innocuous "stock" (unaltered) item.

Why?

The simple matter of the economic situation, political, racial, and religious tensions. People are convinced that our country is going to collapse economically and evolve into a Socialist "Police State".

If that happens the reaction of the people will far surpass the ability of Law Enforcement and/or the Court System to be able to do anything to either investigate or prosecute anyone.

People are resorting to unregistered, untraceable weapons of all sorts, from clubs & knives, to firearms. The Stun Gun, when highly-modified allows a quick way to dispatch an attacker quietly, without attracting a lot of attention.

Given the scenario that is motivating this behavior, they want to "drop" an attacker fast, without getting involved in a situation where they are likely to receive wounds requiring treatment or leaving forensic evidence behind.

The preferred contact points are the Chest area and the Spine, just below the base of the Skull or the Thoracic Spine Region of the back . . . The strategy is to "play scared" at hit them without any warning at all.

Typically, these modified devices deliver 500mA to 1 A or higher. The mods are relatively cheap and many are built as "throwaways", due to shorter component life or the need to get through a search by the Police, if necessary.

A few typical mods, in no particular order: ( I will not supply details )

(1) Increase Amperage

(2) Increase distance between contact points.

(3) Substituting smaller diameter, "needle-sharp" contact probes ... Designed to pierce the skin ( up to an inch or more, in some cases) before discharge.

(4) Use higher capacity battery units ( longer usable time )

(5) Other mods

Things are getting worse and they will continue to get worse. People are expecting riots like those by "Hooligans" recently in the UK. Over here, the motto is becoming the "Hooligans" will meet the "ShootToKilligans". . . Sad, but true !

Dave

Hi Dave

I think this thread would fare much better in the Member's Lounge than here. That said...

While I don't quite see the images of mayhem that you see (and I live in Cleveland, Ohio) I also don't see a stun gun modified or not as a viable means of defense. Matter of fact, I see the use of stun guns by those who are not properly trained in their use to be about as practical as teats on a bull.

We in the US enjoy at least one right that has not been stripped away. We have the right to own firearms and in most states we have the right to protect our property using said firearms. This is Castle Doctrine.

The use of a stun gun amounts to taking a knife to a gun fight. In a scenario like you prescribe of what use would a one shot good deal stun gun be. Rioting by my thinking involves a mob like those seen on TV. A stun gun while novel is hardly a defense. It is a one time good deal regardless of the voltage or current it can deliver. Would you choose to ask the rest of the mob to wait awhile as you get another stun gun?

Given a choice, I prefer a damn good real gun with an abundant supply of real bullets.

While I have yet to hear things go bump in the night and am not about to become Mr. Paranoia I do see the best defense as a well prepared offense.

Just My Take...........
Ron

Ron,

I have lived in South Florida for most of my life ( over 40 years ) and know the streets of Miami well . . . It was a dangerous place then and it is a "powder keg" now.

The devices I mentioned are only "one-shot" if poor components are used. Properly constructed, they are durable. Many people are not investing a great deal into them, in case they need to "dispose" of them quickly following an incident.

As for firearms, they attract way too much attention if seen and are way too loud, are way too traceable, require a CCW to legally carry concealed, can easily be confiscated if registered, licensed, or purchased publicly, and virtually guarantee that you will be charged if used, in most cases.

The scenario I refer to is "street crime" where people are attacked simply because of the color of their skin, not just handling a burglar in my home. If "anarchy" results, it would not take long for things to deteriorate into a "Mad Max" world and the Police and the Government would also be the "enemy", in addition to the gangs and looters.

It may never come to that, but then again it may. I was relaying the sentiment that is spreading across the USA. Granted, in the more "Liberal" states and communities, this may not be the case, but it is in the "Conservative" ones.

I responded to the old thread in this Forum and would have posted in the "Lounge" if the thread had been moved there beforehand, but it wasn't.

The world is a dangerous place and people and fed up with being "politically correct". They are willing to do something about it, at long last !

Dave

Reloadron said:

Hi Dave

While I don't quite see the images of mayhem that you see (and I live in Cleveland, Ohio) I also don't see a stun gun modified or not as a viable means of defense. Matter of fact, I see the use of stun guns by those who are not properly trained in their use to be about as practical as teats on a bull.

The use of a stun gun amounts to taking a knife to a gun fight. . . . A stun gun while novel is hardly a defense.

Ron

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Let me explain further, the tactic is not to display the stun gun at all.

(1) Let the Attacker get close and distract him ( dropping a watch. wallet, or jewelry is good )

(2) Drive the contact spikes ( an inch or more in length ) deeply into his upper back (over the vertebrae ) or neck, just below the skull

(3) Immediately send several thousand volts at 500 mA - 1 Amp or more across his spinal cord

(4) Retrieve and conceal the device, leaving immediately

The units I may or may not have seen are "purpose-built" with adjustable outputs, depending on the situation encountered, from Painful to Terminal, something that is not an option with a gun.

May it never come to this . . .

I'm done on this thread

Dave

My self, I just set my Phaser to stun.

That's not until the 24th Century . . . Pay attention to Star Trek . . . LOL !

Dave

In Canada, most criminals are black Americans or Jamaicans and many gangs are Vietnamese. Their crimes are on the TV news every night. They go to prison then commit the same crimes again when they are released.

Miami huh? Right there with sections of Cleveland that are not tops on my list of places to go.

Florida, if I am not mistaken was one of the first states to allow concealed carry of a firearm. Since I don't live there I can't speak for local laws and regulations governing the use of firearms for self defense or protection.

The case in Ohio and many states is there is no mandatory gun registration. That meaning as a citizen who is felony free over the age of 21 anyone can take the training (gain an understanding of the laws) and obtain a concealed carry permit. There is no gun registration, matter of fact there were cities that required it and it was struck down recently by the Ohio Supreme Court. CCW Permit or no CCW Permit there is no mandatory gun registration in the State of Ohio.

Personally I am a pro-gun advocate. Hell, this after years of owning a gun shop. If I am in a situation at home or on the street where I feel my life is threatened I have no reservations about shooting the SOB. That does not mean I will wander into the worst areas of Cleveland with gun in tow looking for someone to threaten me so I can shoot them. Subway vigilante is not in my book of fun things to do I guess.

The stun guns I have seen appear to represent bulk far exceeding what bulk I get with a good handgun. I don't need an overcoat to easily conceal my gun(s).

Anyway, just because I don't see a stun gun as a viable choice when I can use a firearm does not by any standard say my choice in self defense is a good one, simply that it works for me. While I don't subscribe to the Anarchist Cookbook if anarchy comes about I figure I am pretty well prepared.

Hopefully you will get more input from others but as for me, I am sold on the traditional gun as a weapon for self defense.

Ron

audioguru said:

In Canada, most criminals are black Americans or Jamaicans and many gangs are Vietnamese. Their crimes are on the TV news every night. They go to prison then commit the same crimes again when they are released.

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Absolutely no racism there.

Ron

Reloadron said:

Absolutely no racism there.

Ron

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Look at the TV news in Canada and every single criminal shown (and the ones who are shot) are black Americans or Jamaicans. A few of the criminals are not black, they are in Vietnamese gangs.
It is the truth, not racism.

I am a white Canadian minority. It looks like most people in Canada are Chinese, Indian or Arab.