Trust in covid vaccine

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 19, 2021

Ian Rogers said:
Just had mine.... If I'm not here tomorrow.... I'm dead..

Fingers crossed. But it has only 10% efficiency against south africa mutation. Our goverment wants passport fór vaccinated people. It makes no sense if there are mutations, which byppas vaccine.

Nigel Goodwin · Mar 19, 2021

MacIntoshCZ said:
Astrazeneca seems to fail against south africa mutation. Does anyone have more info about it?

All the info I've seen have suggested it's fairly effective against the SA variant, perhaps you should stop reading all the anti-UK propaganda that some of the EU countries are putting out - bear in mind the last was always a lie, which they have now rescinded, and no reason to suggest this is any different.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 19, 2021

Nigel Goodwin said:
All the info I've seen have suggested it's fairly effective against the SA variant, perhaps you should stop reading all the anti-UK propaganda that some of the EU countries are putting out - bear in mind the last was always a lie, which they have now rescinded, and no reason to suggest this is any different.

Can you post some links that says its effective against SA? I would be greatfull. I googled astrazenaca south africa mutation and i can see only negative webs.
DATA fro UK effiacy 66%, data from africa 10%

AstraZeneca Vax Flops Against South African Variant in Early Trial

But jury still out as to whether it prevents severe disease from the variant

www.medpagetoday.com

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2104584?query=featured_home

time : around 9 min , they said 22% against south africa variant

throbscottle · Mar 19, 2021

Had mine today Only bad thing was the size of the needle she used - man, that thing was like a drainpipe! Also, my arm ached slightly for a few minutes. Terrible, I know.

So, if you had the choice of floating around the sea on a little lifeboat waiting to be rescued, ok it won't sink, but you could die from starvation, exposure, or be tossed out by a storm, or a dozen other unpleasant things, and a large ship came to rescue you, would you refuse rescue on the basis that large ships are known, albeit very rarely, to sink, catch fire, get lost, be attacked by pirates, or refused harbour? That's how the stupid bloody argument looks from where I'm sitting. I'm pretty certain any sane person would get on the ship.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 19, 2021

throbscottle said:
Had mine today Only bad thing was the size of the needle she used - man, that thing was like a drainpipe! Also, my arm ached slightly for a few minutes. Terrible, I know.

So, if you had the choice of floating around the sea on a little lifeboat waiting to be rescued, ok it won't sink, but you could die from starvation, exposure, or be tossed out by a storm, or a dozen other unpleasant things, and a large ship came to rescue you, would you refuse rescue on the basis that large ships are known, albeit very rarely, to sink, catch fire, get lost, be attacked by pirates, or refused harbour? That's how the stupid bloody argument looks from where I'm sitting. I'm pretty certain any sane person would get on the ship.

I am ok with trombhosis since states starting vacinating again. I am just curious about eficiacy against new types. But it has been said that all vaccines procect from severe covid.

Nigel Goodwin · Mar 19, 2021

MacIntoshCZ said:
Can you post some links that says its effective against SA? I would be greatfull. I googled astrazenaca south africa mutation and i can see only negative webs.
DATA fro UK effiacy 66%, data from africa 10%

AstraZeneca Vax Flops Against South African Variant in Early Trial

But jury still out as to whether it prevents severe disease from the variant

www.medpagetoday.com

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2104584?query=featured_home
time : around 9 min , they said 22% against south africa variant

Just what's been on the TV news here, I've not enough interest to go chasing and try and figure out what's made up and what isn't.

throbscottle · Mar 20, 2021

I go on the principle that any protection is better than no protection. The enemy is complacency. Protection against even just the original covid is better than none. I get the impression that some people want to wait until there's a vaccine that protects against all variants before they get jabbed - which is just never going to happen.

Ian Rogers · Mar 20, 2021

The astrazenica efficiency against the SA and Brazilian variants, is 10 ~ 22%.. BUT!! they have a booster due in the autumn that protects up to 85% so "They are on it" This gives me pleasure as nobody in Brazil or SA is trying..

That test was on 2000 people.... So conclusive or what..

Pommie · Mar 20, 2021

The efficacy of the vaccine may only be 60 odd percent but in the 30 odd percent who aren't immune, it turns a deadly virus into a bit of a sniffle. No brainer as far as I'm concerned.

Mike.

Nigel Goodwin · Mar 20, 2021

Pommie said:
The efficacy of the vaccine may only be 60 odd percent but in the 30 odd percent who aren't immune, it turns a deadly virus into a bit of a sniffle. No brainer as far as I'm concerned.

Mike.

And isn't the claimed 66% actually for just the FIRST vaccination, with the second taking it to the 90's?.

My daughter has working in the virus field, and is a personal friend of the first virologist to start working on Covid in the UK (at the University of Newcastle) - following the first two Chinese tourists with Covid in York. She considers no difference between Pfizer and AZ effectiveness, and that AZ has been in development and testing for over 20 years - with the Covid variant just been a minor 'tweak' (the exact details of which she explained - but my brain went to sleep!).

throbscottle · Mar 20, 2021

Using a different virus and disguising it as Covid-19.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 20, 2021

EMA aproved usage of AZ, if you read concusion there is passage saying it causes brain damage in very rarely cases. Lol
But thing similar to this will be in every drug datasheet. I guess
I dont understand that booster ian rogers is taking about in autumn?
Here is link

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca: benefits still outweigh the risks despite possible link to rare blood clots with low blood platelets | European Medicines Agency (EMA)

www.ema.europa.eu

Almost all cases of cloging brain damage were womens

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 22, 2021

Another bad news about astrazeneca

AstraZeneca Vaccine 100% Effective In Preventing Severe Disease And Hospitalizations, U.S. Trials Show

AstraZeneca says the large scale trials showed no safety concerns with regard to blood clots.

www.forbes.com

Its more deadly than i though

Pommie · Mar 22, 2021

MacIntoshCZ said:
Another bad news about astrazeneca

AstraZeneca Vaccine 100% Effective In Preventing Severe Disease And Hospitalizations, U.S. Trials Show

AstraZeneca says the large scale trials showed no safety concerns with regard to blood clots.

www.forbes.com

Its more deadly than i though

You obviously read a different article to the one you posted.

Mike.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 22, 2021

Pommie said:
You obviously read a different article to the one you posted.

Mike.

Nope i did not. This article is exactly i wanted to post...

Pommie · Mar 22, 2021

MacIntoshCZ said:
Nope i did not. This article is exactly i wanted to post...

So, how did you reach the conclusion, "it's more deadly". The article says the complete opposite.

Mike.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 22, 2021

Pommie said:
So, how did you reach the conclusion, "it's more deadly". The article says the complete opposite.

Mike.

I wanted to be ironic.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 22, 2021

Also if you remember my post about slovak teacher that died due astrazenaca, now its revaled it was hoax.

Pommie · Mar 22, 2021

MacIntoshCZ said:
I wanted to be ironic.

Irony does't work in print, it just made you look like a foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Plus, this kind of "irony" just spreads conspiracies.

Mike.

MacIntoshCZ · Mar 22, 2021

I am using irony in print a lot.

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