Wich PIC Programmer is best???

[ravmonster]

hi i'm new to PICs and
I want to learn how to Program a PIC16F84A
and For the first step i would like to build a PIC Programmer
i have search Google and Yahoo For schematics of PIC Programmer
and found hundreds of it...

i would like to know what PIC programmer is the the most reliable
from you experts Of PICs

Here are some PIC Programmer that I found:










A comment on Each PICs is Very well appreciated
just base you'rs on the first pic, second...etc. when doing so...

this will help me a lot thanks

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

hi i'm new to PICs and
I want to learn how to Program a PIC16F84A

Don't use the long obselete 16F84, as a minimum use the 16F628 that replaced it last century (pin compatible, higher spec, and cheaper).

For a programmer use the PICKit2, or a clone (such as the Junebug).

The days of the dumb serial and parallel port programmers is long over.

 

[ThermalRunaway]

I agree. The PicKit 2 is very cheap to buy, and very convenient to use. It supports a huge range of the PicMicro devices and includes an In-Circuit Debug mode which is even more useful when you're learning.Brian

 

[ravmonster]

why not 16F84..i thought it's good for starters like me....
do you think it's a waste of time if i will use it???
why 16F268???
where can i buy this PicKit2????

pls explain....thanks....

 

[kpatz]

16F628 is the modern, updated, upgraded version of the 16F84. And it's cheaper too.

If you're going to learn PIC, might as well learn on a current-production chip.

 

[blinkstar88]

If you want to build by yourself, i prefer using USB interface. You can ask to google to find it for you

 

[blueroomelectronics]

Why my Junebug kit of course.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

why not 16F84..i thought it's good for starters like me....
do you think it's a waste of time if i will use it???
why 16F268???

The 16F628 replaced the lower spec 16F84 over ten years ago, and the F84 was discontinued - however, because people (like yourself) following ancient designs on the net, they reintroduced it at a much higher price than the 628.

The 628 is far more suitable for a beginner, as it includes it's own oscillator, has more program memory, plus useful additional hardware.

 

[ravmonster]

oh!!! thanks for all your replies.....
thanks....thanks ...thanks.....

I will search Google for a USB interface for a programmer
and post it here, ask you if it's a good one>>>
after all building one is my first step...

 

[ravmonster]

i have search Google for USB interface Programmer but it shows
result's i can't understand::::: but i found one Programmer that Uses Serial PORT(i know it's old schul but it's low cost and easy to build and all parts is available at near E-shop's )
here is the linkSimplest PIC programmer
it supports the PIC16F268...so what can you say of this Programmer???

 

[blueroomelectronics]

That's just another JDM programmer, iffy at best and almost unusable with a USB to RS232 dongle.

 

[ThermalRunaway]

I think you are wasting your time with these DIY programmers. Good programmers with all the features you need can be purchased very cheaply. You can buy a Pickit II directly from Microchip if you wish, or alternatively I'm sure you'll find some electronics companies selling them. Search around.

If you really insist on building one yourself, then at least build a good one that has all the features you'll need. The Junebug kit seems to be exactly what you're looking for on that front!

Buy a good programmer now and you won't have to concern yourself with it for a long time. Plus the debug features are invaluable - you won't get that with the old DIY options you're looking at.

Brian

 

[colin55]

The PICkit-2 is less than $50.00 and it comes with $100.00 worth of software on 2 CD's.
It is a USB programmer and will program In-Circuit and program the tiny 10F devices.
All you need is a connection between the programmer and your project:


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Here is a PIC16F628 with In-Circuit programming, producing a 2-digit up/down counter:
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[be80be]

The junebug is $50.00 it come with a 18f1320 and toys built on the programer board
!8fxxx are easy to use and have some good software foe free like C18 Swordfish and BoostC

And it comes in a kit so you can have fun putting it together.
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[colin55]

Does June Bug read your chip before programming?
Does June Bug automatically re-install osc value?
Does June Bug have In Circuit Programming?
Does the June Bug program 10Fxxx chips?
Does June Bug work off the USB port without any other power supply?
It looks like the PICkit-2 is much easier to use. It has no buttons or switches that need playing with.
Does June Bug come with MPASM, debug etc?

 

[Pavius]

The PICkit-2 is less than $50.00 and it comes with $100.00 worth of software on 2 CD's

I just recall getting the PicKit2 app and the latest MPLab. Care to elaborate on what 100$ software you are referring to exactly?

 

[colin55]

I am absolutely astounded that you would buy a PICkit-2 programmer that comes with 2 CD’s filled with programming material and not think the software is worth hundreds of dollars, if not thousands of dollars.

If you had to buy a debug program separately, it would cost you lots of money.
And the PICkit-2 comes with leads and an experimental PC board for ICP.


The first debug program cost me over $130, 7 years ago.
And the original software programs for programming were not free.

Some people want everything for free and then they don't even put a value on it.

 

[blueroomelectronics]

Does June Bug read your chip before programming?
Does June Bug automatically re-install osc value?
Does June Bug have In Circuit Programming?
Does the June Bug program 10Fxxx chips?
Does June Bug work off the USB port without any other power supply?
It looks like the PICkit-2 is much easier to use. It has no buttons or switches that need playing with.
Does June Bug come with MPASM, debug etc?

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The buttons are part of the 18F1320 tutor. It can be disconnected from the programmer/debugger with the DIP switch and use the ICD connector with your own PICs.
Who installs from a CD? It'll be much older. Just download the latest MPLAB & various tools free from Microchips site.

 

[be80be]

Colins the junebug can do all the pickit2 can do.
After all it's a pickit2 clone . I have both the Pickit2 and the junebug. There is no software on the two cd's that you can't get from the net for free.
And I can program all the baseline chips I want even a 10fxxx.
Most people can't program baseline chips even with a a pickit2 they don't no how and
there no book to show you LOL.

Bill I didn't see your post but i second that

Who installs from a CD? It'll be much older. Just download the latest MPLAB & various tools free from Microchips site.

It tells you that on the CD lol

 

[ravmonster]

after reviewing all the replies here,,,
i can't really decide which Programmer should i Used
some here say's that PICKIT2 is Better than JUneBUG...
and some says JUNE BUG Can do what Pickit2 can do
and cost less a lot!!!!
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""I address this to those who've experience using June Bug OR PicKit2!!!""
If someone ask you what do you want on your B-DAY and the Choices is
JUNE BUG And PICKIT2 what will you answer...and Why???
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I Really need your Expertise on this one
Really I want to Start Learning PIC PROGRAMMING and It's Application..