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Will this Circuit fry my Crystals?

Fionaa

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Will this circuit fry an max 500 uW Drive Level XTAL?
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Short answer, no it won't as crystals are really difficult to overdrive.

Long answer, no it won't and here is why. That circuit will run that crystal at around 50 pF load capacitance so it's equivalent circuit is an inductor that tunes at 8 MHz to the 50 pF, so the impedance is around 400 Ohms.

I would expect an amplitude of around 3 V pk - pk on the crystal and so that is about 1 V rms, so the current is about 2.5 mA rms.

The ESR of the crystal will be something like 50 Ohms, so with 2.5 mA flowing, there will be around 300 μW dissipated in the crystal, which is quite a bit less than the 1 mW which is the typical maximum for an HC49 crystal.

https://portal.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/products/details/hc49.pdf

Small crystals...
Short answer, no it won't as crystals are really difficult to overdrive.

Long answer, no it won't and here is why. That circuit will run that crystal at around 50 pF load capacitance so it's equivalent circuit is an inductor that tunes at 8 MHz to the 50 pF, so the impedance is around 400 Ohms.

I would expect an amplitude of around 3 V pk - pk on the crystal and so that is about 1 V rms, so the current is about 2.5 mA rms.

The ESR of the crystal will be something like 50 Ohms, so with 2.5 mA flowing, there will be around 300 μW dissipated in the crystal, which is quite a bit less than the 1 mW which is the typical maximum for an HC49 crystal.

https://portal.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/products/details/hc49.pdf

Small crystals will have lower drive levels but they don't get damaged quickly by overdriving. They can age faster if overdriven.

As for what the circuit is doing, it looks like an unmodulated transmitter. There is no control of the amplitude and the direct connection of the antenna to the oscillator circuit will make the frequency unstable. Two of those in the same room will phase-lock to each other. There will be a lot of harmonics generated.

If that is being used as a transmitter, there is unlikely to be any legal way to use it outside of a screened room.
 
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Short answer, no it won't as crystals are really difficult to overdrive.

Long answer, no it won't and here is why. That circuit will run that crystal at around 50 pF load capacitance so it's equivalent circuit is an inductor that tunes at 8 MHz to the 50 pF, so the impedance is around 400 Ohms.

I would expect an amplitude of around 3 V pk - pk on the crystal and so that is about 1 V rms, so the current is about 2.5 mA rms.

The ESR of the crystal will be something like 50 Ohms, so with 2.5 mA flowing, there will be around 300 μW dissipated in the crystal, which is quite a bit less than the 1 mW which is the typical maximum for an HC49 crystal.

https://portal.iqdfrequencyproducts.com/products/details/hc49.pdf

Small crystals will have lower drive levels but they don't get damaged quickly by overdriving. They can age faster if overdriven.

As for what the circuit is doing, it looks like an unmodulated transmitter. There is no control of the amplitude and the direct connection of the antenna to the oscillator circuit will make the frequency unstable. Two of those in the same room will phase-lock to each other. There will be a lot of harmonics generated.

If that is being used as a transmitter, there is unlikely to be any legal way to use it outside of a screened room.
Its an CW Transmitter thats Missing the Harmonics Filter, and the crystals ESR is 80 Ohms. Thank You for your Help :)
 
Short answer, no it won't as crystals are really difficult to overdrive.

Long answer, no it won't and here is why. That circuit will run that crystal at around 50 pF load capacitance so it's equivalent circuit is an inductor that tunes at 8 MHz to the 50 pF, so the impedance is around 400 Ohms.

I would expect an amplitude of around 3 V pk - pk on the crystal and so that is about 1 V rms, so the current is about 2.5 mA rms.
I have never burnt out a crystal and understand that microwatt power levels would never be felt as heat.

So I ran a simulation now to see if the average motional resistance, Rm would dissipate more than the 500 uW rating in this design, but the instantaneous complex peak power is much higher , although decaying slowly.

A previous simulation of a discrete model of a crystal with a Q of 10k proved to me that this amplifies the internal motional capacitance voltage that could stress the breakdown voltage at the lattice structure and produce a pixel arc and slowly degrade the frequency and ESR.

This gives me reason to doubt if it average power level from thermal effects or over-voltage inside the Xtal lattice on peak reactive power levels.
Anyone?
 
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