how many cells are you running wit this voltage??? 120v dc is capable of running around 100cells, thats a big hydrogen generator. what are you planning on doing with the gas created??
be aware thought that anything more than 1.2v per cell will heat the water and you will have thermal runaway resulting in massive current consumption. unless you use a pwm to regulate the temperature.
also you probably already know but to produce enough hho to run a car/truck will cost more in electricity than running it on petrol/deisel
hi, i am aware that hho implodes rather than explodes and am also aware of its properties when used for cutting etc.
it can also be argued that hho can help fuel to have a more complete burn, however there are factors that are unacounted for in an engine, in order to create the hho this puts extra demand on the alternator, in order to turn the alternator and produce the current needed this consumes extra fuel, the tiny amounts of hho are then pumped into the cylinders and the claim is that more mpg can be achieved.
here are a few more facts about hho well hydrogen anyway. hydrogen is 3 times as energy dense as petrol in weight, granted this is great news. however 1 litre of petrol is equal to 11000 litres of H2 @ stp
that same 1 litre of petrol has more hydrogen in it than 1 litre of liquid hydrogen.
so in reality i see no way to have an overall net gain from hho being driven by the cars electrical system, solar power etc, maybe but then storage becomes a problem.
i too like these sorts of hydrogen generator projects and have been working on them for over 5 years now trying to find the right method and perfecting it, these include, wet cells, dry cells, reactive cells (reactive metals) and i am currently working on a bio cell that is 4ft in diameter and 7ft tall.
i wish you luck with your project and should you need any pointers or advice etc then just pmme
hi, i am aware that hho implodes rather than explodes and am also aware of its properties when used for cutting etc.
it can also be argued that hho can help fuel to have a more complete burn, however there are factors that are unacounted for in an engine, in order to create the hho this puts extra demand on the alternator, in order to turn the alternator and produce the current needed this consumes extra fuel, the tiny amounts of hho are then pumped into the cylinders and the claim is that more mpg can be achieved.
here are a few more facts about hho well hydrogen anyway. hydrogen is 3 times as energy dense as petrol in weight, granted this is great news. however 1 litre of petrol is equal to 11000 litres of H2 @ stp
that same 1 litre of petrol has more hydrogen in it than 1 litre of liquid hydrogen.
so in reality i see no way to have an overall net gain from hho being driven by the cars electrical system, solar power etc, maybe but then storage becomes a problem.
i too like these sorts of hydrogen generator projects and have been working on them for over 5 years now trying to find the right method and perfecting it, these include, wet cells, dry cells, reactive cells (reactive metals) and i am currently working on a bio cell that is 4ft in diameter and 7ft tall.
i wish you luck with your project and should you need any pointers or advice etc then just pmme
Hi CobraWhile HHO gas generation is not over unity, there are factors to HHO gas that defy Nature, HHO gas in that ratio does not explode, it implodes, because it wants to turn back to water, also when HHO gas is used in a torch, it wont burn your hand if held over it with the flame, but it will burn and melt Titanium, that needs 5000 degrees to do that, a OXY Acel torch only heats up to about 2500 degrees, OXY Hyd gas, caused the fuel gas or diesel to burn 25% better, so most of the fuel is burnt, oxy hyd turns to water when burnt, it flashes to steam after its burnt to cause more power in the cyl. and lowers the combustion temp. you have to find a Balance of electricity to HHO production to be effective, I know it works, because i have been able to double the fuel milage of my vehicles with it @ cruise speeds, the way it works is like this, at cruise speeds, most vehicles need only 8 to 10 HP to maintain that speed, the hyd fuel cell makes gas for 4 to 5 hp, the gas or diesel accounts for the other 4 to 5 hp, thats is why you can double your fuel milage at cruise speeds, because HHO is now half your fuel usage, not just that, but now you are using half the amount of gasoline or carbon fuels, and you are now helping to clean up the air we breath.
hi Chellie, nice to meet you. you can not safely get 120VDC@20A out of a 120VAC circuit without power factor correction. The safe max is more like 15A.
Fact of the matter is that the ICE is around 50% efficient, the standard transmission is probably 80% efficient, charging the batteries is 80% efficient, and water electrolysis is 80% efficient (although i seem to recall something that is still in the lab that might be better).
now there are better batteries coming into the marketplace now that help the situation as well as new electric motor technologies. there are also many tricks that can be pulled with electric motors... the ICE needs to be rated for peak power requirements, but the electric only needs to be rated for average.
In AC motors you can take it even further since you can run a 50VAC motor at 50VAC at rated speeds and at 300VAC at 6X speed with relatively minor additional losses in the motor. The trick is that you need to control the AC current and not the voltage. the frequency generates the available speed and the current generates the available torque, and efficiency (besides the fact that there are motor designs that are inexpensive and over 90% eff over 80% of the operating range) knowing how much torque you need to supply current for.
further still puts a custom brushless gearless directly in the wheel.
BTW did you know there is a 230MPG diesel that is not allowed on the road in CA? it is not allowed on the roads because it is TO EFFICIENT! CA laws last I knew specified a maximum emissions per gallon of diesel fuel and it just belched out twice as many noxious fumes per gallon than it was allowed to ... does not matter that it only spewed out half as many per mile!
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Hi DanI kind of figured that i would not be able to get 20 amps from household current but 15 for sure Its Nice to meet you too Yea, the oil companies and the Gov dont want high milage vehicles on the road, because they want and need to sell fuel and get the taxes on the fuel sold, I am able to save half of my fuel bill with HHO @ cruise speeds, I am looking into higher voltage and less amperage to create more HHO, the amps put a load on the vehicles electrical system, and by lowering the amp load and increasing the voltage, i am hopeing to get even get better results, modern engines are not designed to run on pure HHO, so i will always use gas or diesel for lubercating reasons, i would like to use a 60% HHO to 40% gas or diesel in my vehicles, right now i am at 50/50 hho and gasoline, and am happy with that being a on board on demand, i would just like to see if i can do better Take care and have fun, Chellie
Your going to love this cobrastoring hydrogen in a Solid Metal Matrix
YouTube - H-CELL 2.0 hydrogen fuel cell power kit for hobby-grade RC racing........
Bubble bubble toil & trouble. Saw your question on Gary's post about the dimmer. Not sure if that is a good approach to your problem. If I am understanding correctly you are worried about the 170 volt level you get when the filter caps charge to the peak value of the ac in? Seems like if 120 is good 170 would be better. Do you need smooth DC??? Seems like I recall people running these things from PWM's. If you can stand the ripple just your big bridge would work. If not I would use 4 2700 ufd. 200 volt dc caps like the 272m2000a052 from Mouser Electronics. Let me know if the 170 volts is really to much. From the video you posted it didn't look like they used anything fancy. A real 20 amp regulator at your voltage is not real cheap. If you are worried about the 170 volts, how about a half wave rectifier at 85 volts? This might be the best with the 8 caps. Getting a little expensive. $80. Do these really work?
The more I re read everything in this post the less overall sense any of this makes.
If the OP has a car that already has double the fuel mileage with its current design what is the purpose of the redesign then?
Also the OP wants to put three 21 cell generators in series to run on 120 volts but 21 x 3 x 1.5 is 94.5 volts.
However the cells have a 1.2 to 1.5 volt working range so that would suggest that a 6 unit system could work on 170 volts with no problems. 170 / (6 x 21) = 1.35.
Seems like some obvious grade school math issues here along with the rest of the science that does not add up.
I would like to know what type of vehicle the OP already has this system on that doubles the present fuel mileage. What make, model, year, engine, alternator, other modifications, and total mileage with and without the HHO system is this on?
And how about some schematics and real pictures of the system that is in present use?
At this point this thread almost seems like a shady marketing scam more than a real "how to" or "how do I?" thread.
Just looking for some answers to fill in the usual 'I have a working HHO system but I cant give any real details about it' blanks.
Hmmmm Shady Scam Huh, No Way, I am gathering info, Thats All, Sooo Dont get your Panties all curled up in a BunchLOL You know, you dont need to click into this Thread, go elsewhere Please. I AM HERE TO LEARN
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