Trying and reporting back later today. Appreciated.This can be done easily with just two 555's, or with one quad gate package as in post #6. However, that circuit is for driving a bare piezo element, not a complete beeper. It uses two oscillators to make the beeper go on and off continuously, not in groups of beeps separated by off-times. However, the approach of one oscillator controlling another oscillator is correct.
BTW, CMOS logic circuits are extremely efficient, using only a few microamps to operate.
Either with two 555's or two oscillator circuits, have one oscillator drive the beeper at the rate you want the beeps to happen in a burst, such as five beeps in one second. The second oscillator gates the first one on and off. This sets the time between beep bursts. This type of gated beeper is pretty common, and uses very few parts.
Are you familiar with the CD4093? This is a quad NAND gate, but the gates have Schmitt trigger inputs. Not only do they work much better than a 4011 with low frequency circuits, but you also can get an oscillator in only one gate.
Here is a first pass at a gated beeper circuit. U1A forms an oscillator with a period of approx. 2 seconds. That's one second of rapid beeping and one second off. Its output gates U1B on and off. U1B is an oscillator with a period of approx. 0.2 seconds. That's five beeps in one second, the time it is gated on by U1A.
U1C inverts the logid polarity out of the U1B oscillator. When U1B is gated off by U1A, its output sits high. Since you want the beeper to be gated off rather than on-steady, that high must be converted to a low before driving the output transistor.
U1D is a spare gate. Its inputs have to be terminated either high or low, not just left floating. They can be tied to just about anywhere in the circuit.
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Thanks rjenkinsgb.This is an outline circuit for a version I did a while ago for a youtube video (that I lost the video for...)
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The 4060 oscillator is producing an audio frequency that is then divided down by multiple stages.
Connecting diodes to different divider outputs gives different frequencies or on-off cycles - using more than one diode and output is gated by the combination of outputs; the diodes act as an AND gate, with any connected output low holding the final output at R6 low.
eg. Using an output that oscillates at 4Hz plus one that oscillates at 0.5Hz would give four pulses during one second the silence one second, repeating.
Using 8Hz plus 1Hz and 0.5Hz should give four in half a second, repeating every two seconds, etc.
Different combinations can give numerous effects - particularly, most telephone audio tones like dialling tone, ringing tone, unobtainable etc. (or the UK versions, anyway).
The circuit was intended to be audio out, using one of the higher frequency outputs for the tone as well as lower ones for cadence, but you could equally use it for switching a transistor - make R3 a bit lower, depending on the supply voltage, and connect the base to the "high level audio" point & emitter to gnd.
Hi AnalogKid. I been at this for a while with no success. What I get at output 10 is a steady tone. I've checked the stages for what you said to expect at each stage. I hooked it up as you have it except for using a 2N2222 on the output, it's currently what I have available. If I connect the output on the first gate pin 3 to the base of my transistor via a 1k resistor I get a steady on tone not the "one second of rapid beeping and one second off" you said to expect at this first stage. If I try the output of the second gate pin4. The tone is the same. I tried replacing both 1 megs with variable 1 megs. I get dramatic frequency-change sounds on R2 variable but never beeping nor hint of a cycle. From soft hums to dial up type sounds. Varying R1 doesn't seem to do much. I've tried both the 4093 and 4011 with the same result. Let me know if you have any ideas.This can be done easily with just two 555's, or with one quad gate package as in post #6. However, that circuit is for driving a bare piezo element, not a complete beeper. It uses two oscillators to make the beeper go on and off continuously, not in groups of beeps separated by off-times. However, the approach of one oscillator controlling another oscillator is correct.
BTW, CMOS logic circuits are extremely efficient, using only a few microamps to operate.
Either with two 555's or two oscillator circuits, have one oscillator drive the beeper at the rate you want the beeps to happen in a burst, such as five beeps in one second. The second oscillator gates the first one on and off. This sets the time between beep bursts. This type of gated beeper is pretty common, and uses very few parts.
Are you familiar with the CD4093? This is a quad NAND gate, but the gates have Schmitt trigger inputs. Not only do they work much better than a 4011 with low frequency circuits, but you also can get an oscillator in only one gate.
Here is a first pass at a gated beeper circuit. U1A forms an oscillator with a period of approx. 2 seconds. That's one second of rapid beeping and one second off. Its output gates U1B on and off. U1B is an oscillator with a period of approx. 0.2 seconds. That's five beeps in one second, the time it is gated on by U1A.
U1C inverts the logid polarity out of the U1B oscillator. When U1B is gated off by U1A, its output sits high. Since you want the beeper to be gated off rather than on-steady, that high must be converted to a low before driving the output transistor.
U1D is a spare gate. Its inputs have to be terminated either high or low, not just left floating. They can be tied to just about anywhere in the circuit.
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Curious, why do you suppose this circuit works. Using the same 2N2222 and active buzzer.Although the CD4xxx series is rated for Vdd=3V minimum the drive resistance is not low enough to drive 1k which would reduce the output voltage more than >>50%.
It means the output resistance of the high voltage 4000 series also has high resistor in the 3k range at 3V and might not work < 3V But it internal FET reduces resistance to around 300 ohms with an 18V supply.
Whereas the 74HC series is ~ 100 ohms at 3V and < 50 Ohms at 5V5 max supply. They also work down to 2V guaranteed.
Then you must use SMT parts which are your only options. View attachment 145022
So the logic works with no load but not with the 1k + Vbe (x2) transistor load.
It would take a logic level NFET View attachment 145023 to replace the transistors which may also be SMT (mainly) which limits your options. The two transistors are essentially a 74HC' series NAND gate.
I don't know what you can do with an iron and magnifying glass.
4011 can only drive about 3k @ 3V so that depends on details. 74 series CMOS preferred in lower voltage and not 4xxx series which are not guaranteed to run < 3V but 74xxxx CMOS series goes down to 2V with << 100 Ohm drive.Curious, why do you suppose this circuit works. Using the same 2N2222 and active buzzer.
Is there a way to do this without the 10meg I have more options in capacitor sizes.I figured out how to do this with one CMOS 555 (which I never had to use in my career) but opted for the Schmitt NAND solution https://tinyurl.com/2xmhaatg
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Maybe I'm losing my mind but this also yielded only a steady output tone. Nary a beep.Here is the circuit in #18 re-worked to use 555's. Because of the high values of R1 and R2, these should be the CMOS version (LMC555, etc.).
A characteristic of both circuits is that the off time equals the total time for the beep burst. If you want the off time to be either longer or shorter than the beep burst time, the U1 circuit can be modified with the addition of one small-signal diode and another resistor. The orientation of the diode determines if the off time is longer or shorter.
Note that the CMOS 555 output can source only 10 mA. This should be enough, but if not there is a simple circuit change that drives the beeper when the output is low. In that state the output can sink 50 mA, more than enough for most piezo beepers.
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May I see the schematic for your 1 cmos 555 solution. This attachment was the 3 Nand gate option.Is there a way to do this without the 10meg I have more options in capacitor sizes.
The circuit in post #21 by AnalogKid, I didn't deviate from in any way. I used the TS555CN. Output is a steady tone. I was about to try your dual 555 version but I thought you were saying you had a single cmos 555 version.- not the 4000 series CMOS. May we see what you did wrong with an accurate schematic and real IC part numbers? I can offer 10 ways that work, but it's better to know what you have to work with.
Here using 1Meg resistors with polarized caps and changed T1 reference to gnd for immediate pulse on power up.
Probably because your supply is 9V, not the 3V that the TS wants to use.Curious, why do you suppose this circuit works. Using the same 2N2222 and active buzzer.
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