So, I went over to PF to look at what they say about global warming. If I'm reading correctly, it looks like they banned the subject from discussion, at least in the forums where it would matter. Perhaps they can talk about it in the political section, but the science sections (earth forum for example) appears to ban the topic. Apparently, they can't manage the discussions and they get too heated.Believe me I too would like to have a good honest sit down talk with the guys who do work with this stuff every day as a profession.
EDIT: It looks like the earth forum at PF recently started to allow the global warming topic to be discussed again, but with restrictions to not discuss the politics, and stick to peer reviewed references.
Yes, I would recommend further restrictions on emissions. Things like better gas mileage, CO, sulfur, and particulates. I would not worry too much about the plant food they omit.
Ratch
OK, I'll take you at your word for this. But, what I find strange is that you are the one always telling us to use correct terminology and phrasing and pointing out language that is imprecise. You mentioned "insulation factor" which as far as I can tell would mean R-factor or K-factor that is discussed with insulators, and which relates to thermal conduction. I've never heard "insulation" or "radiation insulation" or "insulation factor" used to mean optical absorption, and I worked for 20 years in the optical communications field, attending conferences and reading and publishing papers.
But, since I'm usually one of the guys saying relax and don't get too hung up on the semantics, I guess I have to let it go.
Hi,
You mean you would not worry about emission of CO2 (carbon dioxide) so you would not recommend tighter emission control on that or even recommend no control on that ?
Yes, these types of layman's analogies do show up in articles. Analogies to blankets, or other things make it easier for the public to understand. The blanket analogy is actually not too bad because a sleeping person does radiate quite a bit of infrared/heat, and the blanket can absorb that infrared energy and keep it to help warm the air under the blanket. The blanket also has insulation effects in that it traps the still air inside and still air is a great insulator. Finally, the fact that the air is still means that convection cooling is minimized. Thus, there are three mechanisms that the blanket uses to help keep us warm; infrared absorption, conduction insulation and convection minimization. And, one of those mechanisms is a good analogy to the green-house effect. (guess which one )The bold type is my editing. Scientific American's site had this phrase;
" Because the carbon dioxide blanket prevents its escape into space, the trapped radiation warms up the atmosphere."
I don't see why its insulating effect could not be converted into R values like conduction resistance is. Just because it is not normally done does not mean that it is not valid or precise.
UN Scientists Who Have Turned on the UN IPCC & Man-Made Climate Fears — A Climate Depot Flashback Report
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
from https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryb...-s-intergovernmental-panel-on-climate-change/
Political summary editing processes usually progress through a series of drafts that become increasingly media-worthy. For example, the original text of an April 2000 Third Assessment Report (TAR) draft stated: “There has been a discernible human influence on global climate.” That was followed by an October version that concluded: “It is likely that increasing concentrations of anthropogenic greenhouse gases have contributed significantly to observed warming over the past 50 years.” Then in the final official summary, the language was toughened up even more: “Most of the observed warming over the past 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations.”
It looks like the earth forum at PF recently started to allow the global warming topic to be discussed again, but with restrictions to not discuss the politics, and stick to peer reviewed references.
https://jrs.sagepub.com/content/99/4/178.short
Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals
I would not spend a lot of money or effort on it. Especially since some evidence suggests that the problem in not with the industrialized world.
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/science/new-nasa-satellite-data-flips-climate-science-on-its-head/
Ratch
PS. I would not destroy the rainforests either.
Yes, I believe that's true. In my example above, I eventually learned what ( I think) the motivation of that bad reviewer was. Some time after that incident, the lab sub-division of his company was shut down and the researcher was laid-off. His company was a fairly large company with a large research budget working in many different areas. My professor and I then realized that the guy was probably under a lot of pressure to show his work was useful to his company, or he would be out of a job.When you throw a lot of money in the mix, some humans do the unthinkable.
I've seen that paper before and also commented on it, similarly as you have. I think it was TheElectrician that first showed it to me. This is another example of an injustice, but here again, the truth is eventually out and the details of what happened are known.To the Ineffable All,
Here is a very good paper that was peer reviewed and rejected by the IEEE. I analyzed the rejection and posted my opinion in the following link. https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/superposition-with-dependent-sources.549933/ . That paper contains a lot of examples with a good explanation of the solutions. The submission and rejection appears at the end of the paper. Don't miss reading the paper.
Ratch
No, but I sympathize with the people of Boston.Moty22 must be in the Boston area where global warming dropped over 90 inches of snow so far in February.
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