For a motionless object that "radiates" (or more correctly, is the source of) a static electric field (such as an electric charge) or a static gravitational field (such as a mass), the lines of the static field itself do not propagate through space, but only exist in space. At a distance from the source of the static field, this may cause an effect which may make the behavior of the field appear to change with speeds faster than light, if it is suddenly viewed from a different reference frame.
Thus, when an observer of a static charge (and its extended field) begins to move relative to the field-source, then the motion of the source (and its static field at all positions in space), may all appear to change instantly. This includes the direction of the field as seen far away from the field source, and which now suddenly appears to be pointing to the moving source and directed toward it as it moves, needing no time to catch up with the distant object's sudden "new" motion. In consequence, for a distant object moving transversely at a constant velocity which does not change, the direction along the static field back to its source is always and instantaneously correctly oriented to its actual position, no matter how far away the field-source is. Since there is no "retardation" of the apparent position of the source of a static field, this effect seems to be "transmitted" faster than the speed of light, although in actuality, any constant velocity motion of the "source" can always all be attributed to the observer, so all information about the motion of the "static field" that seems to be transmitted faster-than-light, is actually contained in the point of view of the observer (i.e., it can all be changed back just as quickly, if the observer stops, so that the moving "field source" is again seen as motionless).
FTL in Space. Corroborates with static electric fields; in the capacitor.
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RatchYou are missing the point of my missive,
The point I was 'trying' to make is that you and your supporting link, have to to resort to the 'incorrect', out of date, conventions of displaying and describing the flow of electronics thru a circuit, in order to try to explain your way of seeing current as 'existing' and not flowing.
As I recall, when I close a switch that connects a battery to a capacitor, [in a loop circuit], the leading edge of the voltage/current pulse applied to the capacitor will pass thru the capacitor and appear on the other side of the capacitor as a differentiated pulse.
Thus the fact that the plates do not move is irrelevant, and static conditions don't apply.
The electric field is only 'static' when current stops flowing. Until then, the field is not static, and is constantly changing,
I would say that it is < < < < < < > > > > > > beginning at the source, filling the space between almost instantaneously. The position of the field remains "statically flexed" but, the charge amplitude is rising and falling. However, the charge on the plates are moving rapidly, maybe sort of like bees to what ever arrangement it wants on plate A or plate B a charge build on Plate B is emulating plate A except Plate B will carry that accumulating charge as current to the load. This happens almost instantaneously. Simulating a virtual conductor. Even though we have the empty space which is no longer relevant.wiki said:the lines of the static field itself do not propagate through space, but only exist in space. At a distance from the source of the static field,
Back to the capacitor. Remember the pool into which we dropped the pebble?
The seeming propagation does appear to move but, instead each appears as increase in amplitude. They appear and just increase their intensity
Edit: Please humor me. I believe that we just simply create fundamental devices that actually exist somewhere; we just find out later that it was already a bigger part of the hole system, including space.
Edit:Edit: Now it is a static charge moving on a plate.
Scientific American said:"The electromagnetic interaction is carried by photons. (This is the interaction responsible for all electrical and magnetic phenomena.)
"The weak (nuclear) interaction is carried by weak bosons. (This is the interaction that governs certain radioactive decays, such as beta decay.)
"The gravitational interaction is carried by gravitons. (This, of course, is the interaction that gives rise to the familiar pull of gravity.)
"Although the graviton has yet to be observed, some of its hypothesized properties are known. It is a massless particle having no electrical charge. Its spin (a property of subatomic particles that is not directly analogous to the rotation of a macroscopic object like a top) is twice that of the other field particles listed above; in technical terms, its spin is 2 hbar instead of 1 hbar, where hbar is Planck's constant divided by 2 pi.
"Two masses attract each other gravitationally because they are constantly exchanging virtual gravitons, just as two electrically charged particles are drawn together--or repelled apart--by the exchange of virtual photons. (A 'virtual particle' is one that cannot be directly detected.) This exchange happens at all times. Gravitational waves, in contrast, can arise when an object undergoes an acceleration. Asymmetric supernova explosions or collisions between neutron stars are the kinds of events that could produce powerful blasts of gravitational waves. Gravitational waves have been indirectly detected in certain binary neutron star systems, in which the energy carried off by those waves causes observable changes in the stars' orbits.
"Virtual gravitons pass between two objects even when there are no gravitational waves present (for instance, when the masses are at rest), so it really isn't correct to say that gravity is a wave.
"An analogy with an electrically charged particle might help clarify the situation. When a charged particle is at rest, it is surrounded by a static electric field (no waves). If another charged particle encounters this field, it experiences a force. The quantum view would describe this in terms of an exchange of virtual photons by the two particles. On the other hand, if a charged particle is accelerated, its electric field is ' shaken' to produce an electromagnetic (light) wave that spreads out from the particle. In this case, the energy and momentum of the light wave are carried by real, detectable photons.
"In a similar manner, when a massive particle is at rest, it is surrounded by a static gravitational field (a static curvature of spacetime, no waves) . If another massive particle encounters this field, it experiences a force that can be described in quantum terms as an exchange of virtual gravitons by the two masses. On the other hand, if a massive particle is accelerated, its gravitational field is 'shaken' to produce a gravitational wave that spreads out through spacetime from the particle. The energy and momentum of that gravitational wave are carried by real gravitons."
How does the presents of Gravity play a roll in Electromagnetism.
It is present at all times and could therefore act as my place holder.
So, if a place holder could be an operational component. Then let's move it, or pull it. If I were to stretch a virtual gravitational spring between A and B then pull it from A instantly B would fell it's tension that operational tension increases in amplitudes as both side react to the flex variation periods. No, need to travel at the speed of light.
This means that energy does not have to pass between the plates at all it's only amplifying .
In some ways to act as a conductor doing the exact same thing as in a conductor one in one out. Then the time variation of charge is simply charge amplitude from Zero at "rest" to "peak".
Ok but, weak attraction gravitationally pull does exist between 2 objects. Yet, is overcome by the earths field but, is present in any case.Quote Originally Posted by killivolt
How does the presents of Gravity play a roll in Electromagnetism.
Brownout, It doesn't.
Quote Originally Posted by killivolt
It is present at all times and could therefore act as my place holder.
Brownout, E-M fields don't need a placeholder.
Stop:Scientific American said:"Two masses attract each other gravitationally because they are constantly exchanging virtual gravitons, just as two electrically charged particles are drawn together--or repelled apart--by the exchange of virtual photons. (A 'virtual particle' is one that cannot be directly detected.) This exchange happens at all times.
Quote Originally Posted by killivolt
So, if a place holder could be an operational component. Then let's move it, or pull it. If I were to stretch a virtual gravitational spring between A and B then pull it from A instantly B would fell it's tension that operational tension increases in amplitudes as both side react to the flex variation periods. No, need to travel at the speed of light.
Brownout, Not true. B would not feel the tension instantly, but some time after A was pulled.
Quote Originally Posted by killivolt,
SoThis means that energy does not have to pass between the plates at all it's only amplifying .
Brownout, Energy must pass between the plates. Static conditions don't hold while current is flowing.
Quote Originally Posted by killivolt,
In some ways to act as a conductor doing the exact same thing as in a conductor one in one out. Then the time variation of charge is simply charge amplitude from Zero at "rest" to "peak".
Brownout, It's not quite that simple, but whatever works for you.
Ok but, weak attraction gravitationally pull does exist between 2 objects. Yet, is overcome by the earths field but, is present in any case.
Gravity has a roll and is a bigger part of the smaller system. Of which and in part not fully known?
Agreed. But, divide the sum which would be the variance of force.
Energy must pass between the plates "Yes" However, Regardless of current. Static is the process that started the hole thing in the first place why would it stop?
Seriously, the conductor is a principle I want to apply because it's fundamentally sound. On the other hand that damn vacuum has my nerve.
Fields do propagate in a vacuum. Magnets are a static source of the fields, but a circuit is dynamic, and thus produces dynamic, probagating fields. How do you think EMI is produced in circuits??? It's is a propagating wave caused by dynamic conditions in circuits, and it works in a vacuum, as well as in an atmosphere.
Fields do propagate in a vacuum. Magnets are a static source of the fields, but a circuit is dynamic, and thus produces dynamic, probagating fields. How do you think EMI is produced in circuits??? It's is a propagating wave caused by dynamic conditions in circuits, and it works in a vacuum, as well as in an atmosphere.
The fields would propagate at the speed of light, so you would not "see" any image of the field propagating. It would appear to happen instantly. Remember, nothing ever happens in zero time.
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