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[Hank Fletcher]

I'm sorry, but you are quite simply wrong. Water intoxication (hyponatremia) is a well established medical condition. It is usually associated with psychiatric problems and is seen in the fairly rare condition of diabetes insipidus, but it can occur in otherwise healthy individuals.

Hyponatremia is not synonomous with hyperhydration (water intoxication). Neither will occur in "otherwise healthy individuals" with a healthy diet and proper physical exercise. There is no reason for teenagers or adults to be concerned at all about drinking two litres of water everyday, and a whole host of reasons for why they should (especially as an alternative to injesting other fluids).

 

[jpanhalt]

Hyponatremia is not synonomous with hyperhydration (water intoxication). Neither will occur in "otherwise healthy individuals" with a healthy diet and proper physical exercise. There is no reason for teenagers or adults to be concerned at all about drinking two litres of water everyday, and a whole host of reasons for why they should (especially as an alternative to injesting other fluids).

No one suggested that drinking 2 liters of water a day would lead to water intoxication or hyponatremia in an otherwise healthy individual. However, in your previous post you describe water intoxication as being "all bogus." It is not.

How about providing some literature citations to support your definitions and propositions.

John

 

[Hank Fletcher]

How about providing some literature citations to support your definitions and propositions.

Wiki it. That's more substantial than your citations, which by the very title of the first one should've clued you in to the bogus nature of "water intoxication." While you're looking things up, look up toxicity. The worst thing you can say about water is that it's harmful to humans if they try to forcefully displace their normal body parts with copious amounts of water. That says nothing - you could use less of any other substance in the universe and still achieve "toxic" results.

No one suggested that drinking 2 liters of water a day would lead to water intoxication... ...in an otherwise healthy individual.

You did:

Water intoxication.. ....can occur in otherwise healthy individuals.

because healthy individuals drink two litres of water a day.

 

[dknguyen]

because healthy individuals drink two litres of water a day.

BOdy mass dependent, of course. BUt some people will try and drink as much water as I can during the day thinking it is healthy. Whether or not this classifies them as a health individual doesn't change the fact they think it's healthy so they try and do it.

I've done it by accident a few times before, especially when I have had hiccups or a dry throat at work. Ended up in me getting sick.

 

[jpanhalt]

BOdy mass dependent, of course. BUt some people will try and drink as much water as I can during the day thinking it is healthy. Whether or not this classifies them as a health individual doesn't change the fact they think it's healthy so they try and do it.

Loss is both body mass and body area dependent. The smaller the person is, the larger the area to mass ratio. Thus, they can actually tolerate and need proportionately more water than a larger individual. Dehydration from water loss through the skin and lungs is a major consideration in tiny infants and occurs quite commonly when they have a fever, which is one reason physicians will always tell parents of feverish children to keep then hydrated.

With normal kidney function, I would not worry about drinking too much water as long as the intake is within the realm of common sense. Intake in the psychiatric cases and during water-drinking contests would not pass the test of what seems normal. John

 

[ericgibbs]

hi Hank,

>>. There is no reason for teenagers or adults to be concerned at all about drinking two litres of water everyday, and a whole host of reasons for why they should (especially as an alternative to injesting other fluids).


There was a recent TV program that investigated the drinking of 2 litres of water per day 'myth'.
The research paper was done in the 1950's, it showed that the most humans require about 2 litres of water per day, BUT it clearly stated that the majority of the 2 litres of water would come from the food and fluids we ingest.

For some reason the last part of the test results were ignored by the media.
Basically if you eat a normal/regular diet you will get the required 2 litres of water from the food/liquids you eat/drink.

I would agree that a nice drink of fresh water is very refreshing, including the water down the 'Speed Well' caves. [Nigels?].

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

I would agree that a nice drink of fresh water is very refreshing, including the water down the 'Speed Well' caves. [Nigels?].

Speedwell is a showcave - this particualr incident was down 'Giants Hole' - only a couple of miles away though.

 

[ericgibbs]

Speedwell is a showcave - this particualr incident was down 'Giants Hole' - only a couple of miles away though.

Spent many happy days groping thru pot holes and caves around the Peak district, especially Castleton. Remember the Blue John mines near Winnats Pass.?
Ahhh, the good old days!.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Spent many happy days groping thru pot holes and caves around the Peak district, especially Castleton. Remember the Blue John mines near Winnats Pass.?
Ahhh, the good old days!.

Yes, the only place in the world where Blue John is found!.

 

[jpanhalt]

While on the subject of good tasting water, this link was sent to me today. It sort of makes one re-think about whether it is the water we are tasting :
http://www.bestviral.com/video/6629/dont_ever_drink_from_hotel_glasses

I know it is kind of an old link, but I suspect the conditions described are not unique to Georgia, USA. John

 

[crusty]

While on the subject of good tasting water, this link was sent to me today. It sort of makes one re-think about whether it is the water we are tasting :
http://www.bestviral.com/video/6629/dont_ever_drink_from_hotel_glasses

I know it is kind of an old link, but I suspect the conditions described are not unique to Georgia, USA. John

ohh geez, that's so nasty. NOT, just think about all the fish poo and pee, chlorine, rust, corrosion, sludge, algae, pipe glue residue, acid core solder. This ain't a perfect world, especially as much humans have **** up the clean salt free water supplies. If the reporters are so concerned about what they're drinking why don't they even take concern about the condition of the ice/water/soda in general, especially soda from soda dispenser in a fast food restaurant. If anyone has ever had to clean one of them, then you would know all too well how "nasty" they are. Face it people we live in a unperfect world human civilization has already managed to screw up everything. We gotta die someday, so keep on drinkin those bacterias!

 

[Krumlink]

I was surfing the web and found a pic of crusty

**broken link removed**

For those of you that live near swamps, does the water ever turn tomato juice red? Every summer, mine turns that color

 

[Omar.M]

Every summer, mine turns that color

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Hmm. That explains everything.

-Omar
P.S. (Don't frown, just a joke =D)

 

[crusty]

I was surfing the web and found a pic of crusty

**broken link removed**

For those of you that live near swamps, does the water ever turn tomato juice red? Every summer, mine turns that color

that's algae bloom, toxic stuff especially in large quantities, not good for humans, or fish, much less anything else living out of the water source. Most of it is due to human waste, septic tanks, fertilizers(especially), p00p, just general human intervention, not to mention humans don't like natural vegetation(weeds) growing around them, so we hack it, spread weed killer, poison, transplant foreign grass, keep it constantly trimmed, and destroy any large quantities of insects or animals that surround us. Gotta love the human race!

 

[Hero999]

I have this problem, too - due to an illness that I had when I was young, my teeth developed with thinner than usual enamel. Naturally white teeth, but very susceptible to cavities and temperature, sweetness, etc.

The funny thing is that my teeth are alright, I've never had to had any work done apart from when one of my front teeth which got chiped when my brother pushed me in to a glass windowes door.

This bothers me more than most people, because I like playing brass instruments. Every now and then, that involves putting a bit of pressure on the teeth. A few years back my dentist turned me on to Sensodyne toothpaste. Can you get that in the U.K.? If not, let me know and I'll look up what the de-sensitizing ingredient in Sensodyne is, and you can find an equivalent brand. My advice: avoid the baking powder (or do I mean baking soda? I always get those mixed up!) brands - they taste disgusting!

Sensodyne's alright, though. I brush with it all the time, and I even got really used to the taste, so I brush for a long time, sometimes just sucking on the brush for a half-hour or so. Weird, huh? But with that and the water, I have never had a complaint from the ladies! And my teeth stay numb, which is the way they oughta be.

I use Sensodyne too but it's not worked that well for me, my teeth are still a bit sensitive to cold.