How are you managing with the Covid-19 pandemic?

[nsaspook]

You can walk in and get a shot in Oregon, no registration needed. 'Vaccinated don't means you cant spread the virus' but if most of us are vaccinated it can't spread far before being neutralized by the bodies defenses and if it does spread to a no-vaxxer then that's on them. Mask are not going to stop mutations, vaccinations to kill the virus to the point we can easily control hot-spots will.

 

[MacIntoshCZ]

You can walk in and get a shot in Oregon, no registration needed. 'Vaccinated don't means you cant spread the virus' but if most of us are vaccinated it can't spread far before being neutralized by the bodies defenses and if it does spread to a no-vaxxer then that's on them. Mask are not going to stop mutations, vaccinations to kill the virus to the point we can easily control hot-spots will.

If i am correct in June, CZ goverment will allow "overtaking" in queue for getting jab. Who wants to get jab faster can pay for it... Also we are vaccinating only 45+ people at the moment, + ill ones....

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Why would you want to keep masks when they're no longer necessary?

Just because you've been vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch and spread Covid, it just means if you do catch it your body fights it off faster and you're unlikely to end up in Hospital (or dead).

But the American response has been pathetic, both by the incompetent Trump and now Biden doing everything he can to keep it going. No wonder the death toll is so high there.

 

[Visitor]

Biden is doing a top notch job. Even without comparison to the pathetic, incompetent performance of his predecessor. Vaccinations well ahead of projections. Adapting to the rapidly changing situation as needed to keep things moving. Basing decisions on the best available science.

 

[MacIntoshCZ]

Biden is doing a top notch job. Even without comparison to the pathetic, incompetent performance of his predecessor. Vaccinations well ahead of projections. Adapting to the rapidly changing situation as needed to keep things moving. Basing decisions on the best available science.

I think its not Biden, but men in black =).

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Biden is doing a top notch job. Even without comparison to the pathetic, incompetent performance of his predecessor. Vaccinations well ahead of projections. Adapting to the rapidly changing situation as needed to keep things moving. Basing decisions on the best available science.

So how does that work with not wearing masks then? - hardly 'best available science'.

Perhaps you should rephrase? - "best available political decision, never mind the death rate".

Certainly Biden is doing a FAR better job than Trump though.

 

[shortbus=]

It's a risk the CDC as taken into consideration with the latest fully vaccinated recommendations. Mutations are easily handled at this point in the USA VAX phase with even Florida cases falling in the presence of several mutations. There is little evidence CV will mutate much beyond the severity of what we see in India and those variants are neutralized by most of the second tier vaccines.

I don't believe it. They also said it could never jump species too.

 

[nsaspook]

I don't believe it. They also said it could never jump species too.

As usual you are misinformed in your beliefs.

Zoonosis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nsaspook]

So how does that work with not wearing masks then? - hardly 'best available science'.

Perhaps you should rephrase? - "best available political decision, never mind the death rate".

Certainly Biden is doing a FAR better job than Trump though.

It is the best science that's been known for months with recent verification and it's a carrot to push higher VAX rates in the USA. Please, lets follow the actual science instead of past political histrionics, so refreshing to have the CDC do that.

Here’s the science that convinced the CDC to lift mask mandates

The decision was guided by scientific evidence that the vaccines have played a major role in curbing both infections and transmission of the virus.

www.nbcnews.com

The change in recommendations was overdue, according to Dr. David Dowdy, an associate professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

"I think part of the problem before this was that there was something of a mixed message: The vaccines are very effective, but you still have to wear a mask," Dowdy said. "This is now a strong statement that we know these vaccines work, and for those who are fully vaccinated, it's appropriate to take some steps toward living life a bit more normally."

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Data on vaccine performance has been around for a while.
...
Published Feb. 18: The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines protected 31,069 Mayo Clinic and affiliated health system workers from getting the coronavirus in 88.7 percent of cases.
March 23: Out of 8,121 fully vaccinated workers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, four contracted the virus.
March 23: UCLA researchers estimated the risk of testing positive for the virus after vaccination was 1.19 percent for health-care workers at UC San Diego Health and 0.97 percent at UCLA Health.
April 2: The mRNA vaccines were found 90 percent effective in 3,950 vaccinated health-care personnel, first responders and other essential workers in eight U.S. locations.
April 21: Out of 417 fully vaccinated people at Rockefeller University, there were two women with breakthrough infections.

If you're full vaccinated with no other medical concerns then wearing a mask is a personal 'choice', one not rooted in science but yours to make nevertheless.

 

[nsaspook]

CDC Guidelines For Fully Vaccinated People

CDC Guidelines For Fully Vaccinated People

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[JimB]

If you're full vaccinated with no other medical concerns then wearing a mask is a personal 'choice', one not rooted in science but yours to make nevertheless.

I guess that it is a bit like the safety brief on an aircraft just before take off.
Most people just ignore it, even if they have not been on an aircraft since their last boozy two weeks on the Costa del Warm and Sunny.
It is not "cool" to pay attention to the trolley dolly waving her arms around to show the emergency exits.

However, I once remember at a morning long safety induction presentation for a new offshore oil platform, the subject of aircraft/helicopter safety briefs was discussed.
The presenter made the point that although you may have done it only a couple of days before, there may be some nervous first timer trying hard not to look conspicuous, so just watch the briefing and it may help to put the new boy at ease.

So, back to the covid thing, even if you are a healthy double vaccinee, in an enclosed space with other people, just wear the mask for now while we get the virus completely (?) beaten.

JimB

 

[MacIntoshCZ]

=)

 

[nsaspook]

I guess that it is a bit like the safety brief on an aircraft just before take off.
Most people just ignore it, even if they have not been on an aircraft since their last boozy two weeks on the Costa del Warm and Sunny.
It is not "cool" to pay attention to the trolley dolly waving her arms around to show the emergency exits.

However, I once remember at a morning long safety induction presentation for a new offshore oil platform, the subject of aircraft/helicopter safety briefs was discussed.
The presenter made the point that although you may have done it only a couple of days before, there may be some nervous first timer trying hard not to look conspicuous, so just watch the briefing and it may help to put the new boy at ease.

So, back to the covid thing, even if you are a healthy double vaccinee, in an enclosed space with other people, just wear the mask for now while we get the virus completely (?) beaten.

JimB

That's not a valid reason IMO.

We will never beat the virus. The 1918 flu virus is still in circulation in mutated form. What we can do is to reduce the risk from this virus to that of the common yearly flu that kills 10's of thousands a year even with yearly vaccines. This is a transition to normalcy that started yesterday in the USA because the data is overwhelming that it's the right decision.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

However, I once remember at a morning long safety induction presentation for a new offshore oil platform, the subject of aircraft/helicopter safety briefs was discussed.

To be fair, the chances of ditching in the sea (and surviving) is a LOT higher in a helicopter in the North Sea than an air liner. Not many air liners crash at sea, or indeed crash at all.

 

[Visitor]

Nigel – You

To be fair, the chances of ditching in the sea (and surviving) is a LOT higher in a helicopter in the North Sea than an air liner. Not many air liners crash at sea, or indeed crash at all.

Got any statistics to bare out this claim?

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Nigel – You


Got any statistics to bare out this claim?

Only what's been shown on the news over the years - and people working on the oil rigs in the North Sea have to undergo helicopter escape training for just such an occurrence. Helicopters glide down 'relatively' slowly, air liners much faster - and the helicopter passengers are trained and dressed for the possibility.

 

[nsaspook]

Having flown hundreds of miles in open sea in USMC helicopters (as a sailor on assignment) on GONZO station I have a mortal fear of the damn things crashing.

 

[shortbus=]

As usual you are misinformed in your beliefs.

As usual you think you know it all. Did you even read the link you gave? It did jump species.

 

[JimB]

Helicopters glide down 'relatively' slowly, air liners much faster - and the helicopter passengers are trained and dressed for the possibility.

Hmmm... lets just think about that for a minute.

If it is a simple engine failure, and the pilot is quick he can use a technique called auto-rotation in order to land relatively softly.
However, tell that to the crew of the Glasgow police helicopter and the occupants of the pub...

2013 Glasgow helicopter crash - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But if the problem is a main gear box failure...

1986 British International Helicopters Chinook crash - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bond Offshore Helicopters Flight 85N - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

CHC Helikopter Service Flight 241 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JimB

 

[Visitor]

Only what's been shown on the news over the years - and people working on the oil rigs in the North Sea have to undergo helicopter escape training for just such an occurrence. Helicopters glide down 'relatively' slowly, air liners much faster - and the helicopter passengers are trained and dressed for the possibility.

Here's a list of helicopter crashes into the sea from Wikipedia.

1978 26 June – Sikorsky S-61 LN-OQS of Helikopter Service loses a rotor blade in flight and crashes into the North Sea off Bergen, Norway. All eighteen people on board are killed.


1981 13 August – Westland Wessex G-ASWI of Bristow Helicopters suffers an engine failure and ditches in the North Sea off the coast of Norfolk, United Kingdom. All thirteen people on board are killed.


1983 16 July – Sikorsky S-61 G-BEON of British Airways crashes into the Atlantic Ocean between the coast of Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly. Twenty of the 26 people on board are killed.

1986 6 November – Boeing 234LR Chinook G-BWFC of British International Helicopters suffers a mechanical failure. The aircraft ditches at sea off Sumburgh Airport, Shetland Islands, killing 45 of the 47 people on board.

1997 16 July – Sikorsky S-76A G-BJVX of Bristow Helicopters crashes into the North Sea off the coast of Norfolk following the loss of its rotor head in flight. All eleven people on board are killed

1995 19 January – Aérospatiale AS332 Super Puma G-TIGK, operating Bristow Flight 56C is struck by lightning and ditches in the North Sea off the coast of Aberdeenshire. All eighteen people on board survive.

1997 8 September – Eurocopter AS332L Super Puma LN-OPG operating Helikopter Service Flight 451 suffers a mechanical failure and crashed into the Norwegian Sea. All twelve people on board are killed.

2002 16 July – Sikorsky S-76A G-BJVX of Bristow Helicopters crashes into the North Sea off the coast of Norfolk following the loss of its rotor head in flight. All eleven people on board are killed.

2009 17 January – A Eurocopter AS 532 of the French Navy crashes shortly after take-off from the amphibious assault ship Foudre off the coast of Gabon. Eight of the ten people on board are killed.


2009 12 March – Sikorsky S-92 C-GZCH, operating Cougar Helicopters Flight 91, suffers a mechanical failure and ditches in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada. Seventeen of the eighteen people on board are killed


2009 1 April – Eurocopter AS332L2 Super Puma Mk 2 G-REDL of Bond Offshore Helicopters suffers a mechanical failure and crashes into the North Sea off the coast of Aberdeenshire. All sixteen people on board are killed.


2013 23 August – A CHC Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma Mk 2 crashed into the sea 2 nm from Sumburgh in the Shetland Islands, Scotland while en route from Borgsten Dolphin oil platform. The accident killed four of the passengers; 12 other passengers and two crew were rescued.


2017 14 March – A Sikorsky S-92 crashed off County Mayo on Ireland′s west coast. All four crew members on board died.

In 13 helicopter in to the sea crashes spaning 400 years, 175 died, 43 lived. Not very good statistics.