How can you even claim to have that level of info. And it would not be the first time a president used military action to boost his image.What timing? It's not October, so no possibility of a October Surprise. There is no significant political timing associated with the date of the operation. Whoever is making that suggestion is doing nothing more than muckraking. Those months were used for intelligence gathering and planning.
They had known about the hideout for months. Some have suggested the timing was political.
Actually it was more like two monumental 110 story buildings, the collateral destruction of all the surrounding buildings, part of the Pentagon, 3 airbuses, 343 dead firefighters, and oh! 3000 others dead.By their standards justice will require how many more deaths ? A pair or huge buildings too.
I find it interesting that many people question the credibility in anything the USA does. The is something in some people that will see a conspiracy in anything.
Now the planner of 9/11 is dead we wait to see if there is any change in policy in Al Qaeda. If not then we kill the next one, and the next one, till they are gone or change their policy. This is war, which some folks, especially in the EU, seems to forget. I find it amazing that they would claim we should have arrested him. This is the same mentality that created WWI and II, IMO. People may disagree with this opinion, which is OK, but I don't see it changing much in the near future.
Actually it was more like two monumental 110 story buildings, the collateral destruction of all the surrounding buildings, part of the Pentagon, 3 airbuses, 343 dead firefighters, and oh! 3000 others dead.
So how can the Obamanation call shooting someone in the head at close range 'Justice', it was said he was unarmed and the common sense way would of been to shoot non vital organs to disable the person ready for capture. Were the orders to slay on sight and don't take any prisoners ????? If so how in this world can IT be called 'justice'. So if someone went up and shot the obamanation at close range saying under his orders my whole family was killed. would that be the same.
I am in NOWAY defending the other side, just the way it was carried out if any other country did the same thing it would be called an assassination. The way this has been handled does the US expect it's all finished???????
I take exception to that sentence, we have lost around 300 of our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, along side the Americans.
Don't worry, it is mostly the the inward looking who cannot see how ironic this situation is. Basically by sanctioning this sort of 'execution without trial' ...
bryan1 said:The way this has been handled does the US expect it's all finished???????
I know full well of the level on cooperation and expertise the UK has given in these type of operations in the past and present. Most Americans have no idea of the scope and intensity of the covert side of the global anti-terror war that's really be active since the 1960s. The death of UBL is a dangerous point because some of the real crazies were being restrained by his forces under the guise of a unified attack plan, now those guys are free operators.
Why have I crapped on the US? I really would rather you didn't jab at me like that and talk face to face like a MAN.
Lets be honest though, the US has sponsered many of these Terrorist groups for their own ends in the past (think where the Taliban originated they were very useful in fighting the Russians in Afghanistan!) we can say the same about MANY problematic Middle East countries Saddam and Iraq (he was helped by the CIA into power although I am ashamed what us Brits got up to their in the 100 years previous to this)) and the Iranian coup d'état in the 50's, which of course the UK was heavily involved! How can we go around the world claiming to be the moral brigade when many coutries have suffered at our hands, for our own ends? How can we not expect to be victim of hate and reprisals?
I have to admit that many of these countries are certainly no stranger to violence and civil unrest etc... However, I am prepared to accept there is an equally important opinion on both sides (so they shouldn't be allowed to have a say?) and I get the feeling many posters here think they should not allowed to have an opinion and the decisions the US, UK France etc make are for the their own good, they would never make decisions based on oil or other resources would they lol! (I am thinking a lot about WW1 for some reason right now!).
And just how does a united and active response on Terrorism work? Can you site succesful past examples, like with the IRA for instance, which you did not really offer any support with to us Brits? Where was the united front their? Also you mention past acts, no they are are not the past there is a wing of the (REAL) IRA that is VERY MUCH ALIVE AND ACTIVE, I hope no money comes from America for them. So back to unified attack on terrosism How are Israel's assaults on Palestine helping reduce the terrorism against them? I guess you can keep fighting until they have know one left to fight for them and no land to live on now that [Ih]would[/I] work! I think there is a name for that sort of thing too, can anyone think of the phraise I am looking for?
Oh yeah, Ethnic cleansing! Lets have some Ethnic cleansing round the world and get rid of all these backward nations! Best leave the ones without resources though, you know, North Korea, Zimbabwe etc.. They will be useful in some way we have yet to invent for the next fight...
I was trying to act civil and I am sorry if you see that as unmanly.Why have I crapped on the US? I really would rather you didn't jab at me like that and talk face to face like a MAN.
So because we have yet to do it right we should stop trying ?And just how does a united and active response on Terrorism work? Can you site succesful past examples, like with the IRA for instance,
It is refreshing to see you understand that your country does not have clean hands in these matters....
I take exception to that sentence, we have lost around 300 of our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, along side the Americans.
We have had many civilians blown to bits in the UK by these murderous sods.
Every day we live under the threat of terrorist attacks in the UK.
So please get your facts straight before making these callous remarks, we in the UK are part of the EU.
EDIT:
A look thru the latter half of this link will be informative.
List of terrorist incidents in Great Britain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
EDIT2:
BBC News - British military deaths in Afghanistan
KARLA ADAM, Washington Post
LONDON -- A British judge ruled Friday that failings in the security and emergency services did not contribute to the deaths of the 52 people killed in the al-Qaida-inspired transit bombings during the morning rush hour here on July 7, 2005.
While the verdict in the five-month inquest that the victims were "unlawfully killed" was expected, victims' relatives were anxious to see what role the responses by emergency services and Britain's spy agency played in attacks on three subway trains and a double-decker bus.
Speaking in a packed courtroom at the Royal Courts of Justice in central London, Judge Heather Hallett said that "no failings on the part of any organization or individual caused or contributed to any of the deaths."
The inquest -- standard procedure in Britain if someone dies in a violent or unexplained manner -- began in October and called more than 300 witnesses.
Among the nine recommendations Hallett issued Friday was that Britain's security services should review their use of surveillance photos.
MI5, Britain's domestic intelligence agency, had taken photographs in 2004 of Mohammed Siddique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, two of the four British men responsible for the London bombings. The inquest heard that in 2004 the photos were shown to an informant who knew Khan, but MI5 had edited them so that they were grainy and Khan was missing.
"They were dreadful," Hallett said in her 65-page statement. But she stressed that the evidence "disclosed no failings by the Security Service that could properly be reflected in the verdicts as a contributory cause of the deaths."
In addition to tales of bravery, the inquest heard that ambulances and medical supplies were delayed by the chaos, and that communication was hampered by radios that didn't work underground. However, Hallett said people "would have died whatever time the emergency services reached and rescued them."
She recommended that London's subway system consider providing first-aid equipment on its trains and that various agencies review their funding for emergency care.
""While Hallett said she hoped the inquest would be the last investigation into the attack, some family members called for a full independent inquiry.
Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-son, David, died at the Edgware Road subway station, said that all of the victims' families he knew wanted an independent inquiry. The inquest examined "about a fifth" of the issues, and a full inquiry "would finally allow us to look at the whole picture," he said.
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