I believe I did answer the question, but you ignored the reasons I gave. My personal experience in purchasing consumer goods is a datum to recognize. I also listed other exports from food to recreational items of dubiously quality. All those exports are widely known and documented as scandals involving cover-ups, regardless whether you care about them or not. However, just to prove that I am not the only one who experienced this proven fact, I submit below three links I easily found on the internet.
Ratch
https://www.economist.com/node/13642306
https://thediplomat.com/2015/07/how-made-in-china-became-a-stigma/
**broken link removed**
OK, Ratch, let's assume you do $1,000,000.00 of business a year with China. That is much less than 0.1% of the total, and on that basis, you make very broad and disparaging remarks about it. So, to put it into perspective, how much business in $ did you actually do with China last year? How much in the past 10 years?
John
I am not talking about a being a multi-megaton corporation who can afford to have a QC inspector in their factory to make sure a product gets made correctly. I am a former consumer of Chinese goods who is now wiser. As you can see from those links, I am not the only one who thinks the same way.
Ratch
So, to you, repetition = proof? Is that so?
John
Certainly. If their consumer products are endemically lacking in quality, and violating consumer safety laws multiple times, then they are career scamsters.
Ratch
What happened, your Rover didn't start this morning?
Another example: the hi-mv that flatten your oscilloscope is controlled by electronic equipment made by Ian Rogers
Yes, but you and others like you are such a small fraction of the total commerce as to be insignificant.
Didn't you even notice the comments of Tim Cook (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...ducts-in-china-because-its-cheaper-2015-12-20 )?
His advice does me no good because it does not address what I am saying and I am not a manufacturer.Those who ignore the advice of such leaders are bound to reap the "benefits" of their ignorance.
Again, read the links I already submitted. It is universally accepted that China exports shoddy commercial goods including foodstuffs. There have been many incidents where their practices have resulted in trouble and even deaths for a lot of folks who trusted the product they purchased would be what they expected. The links I submitted state that fact and give examples of Chinese chicanery even against their own people.Again, please cite your sources. If you have none, then this discussion is bound to be fruitless.
The main thing we both agree is that you are hopelessly pedantic.I am not talking about the total commerce of China. I am stating that anyone who buys a Chinese product sold by a retailer in the US, and probably elsewhere, runs the risk of getting an inferior product with respect to its materials and assembly.
I readily admit that.The main thing we both agree is that you are hopelessly pedantic.
I have found Chinese consumer products to fail before their time unless they are seldom used. So have other folks as enumerated in the three links given previously.I assess the Chinese products from personal experience. I estimate the average quality to be about 80% of products manufactured in the West.
How can you say that. If the media report on a defective product, such as sulfur laden dry wall making people sick, that is a fact, not an opinion.The extreme opinions that you get in the media are very biased.
And the folks in other countries cannot sue the Chinese government for product failure.It is also true that it's easier for Western media to tell lies about news from abroad because they can't be sued.
I don't patronize ebay, but we were not discussing ebay, were we?I buy electronic components on ebay from China. Half of what I bought arrived defective and most products were second hand.
That is your choice and preference. Your willingness to put up with low quality implies that Chinese consumer goods are shoddy.I buy Chinese products in shops because they are much cheaper and I'm ready to tolerate the low quality of most products.
It appears that you agree that Chinese goods lack quality.I wont buy some products that the quality is important to me, I wont buy Chinese music because it's cheap. Most people do that.
Someone has to buy the goods in wholesale lots, advertise them, display them, and resell them. In the West, private companies do that. In the East, state controlled economies do the same thing.Another reason that I buy goods directly from China is the chance to punish the middle men in the West.
Where do you get those figures? In any case, whomever performs the retailing is going to make a profit.I don't like them taking very large cut in everything. What kind of economy is this that the manufacturer gets 5% and the salesman gets 95%.
One thing is clear: things have a cost, and very cheap product just (most cases) cannot stand against well thought/built products.
The question is, do we always need a superb product?
There are some manufacturers that charge a (sometimes much) higher price for their products just because there are considered leaders, but most of the times and thats my opinion, paying more gives you more.
Again, the question is, do I need a Tektronix scope (or Fluke meter, or whatever), or can I go with a chinese clone of a clone?
People in developed countries are getting used to get cheaper and cheaper products, and everything, in general, is dropping in quality vs features. Not only products, but also quality of service. To mention something, in Spain it is totally imposible to find a good telephone/mobile/internet service provider. They all suck. No matter how much you are willing to pay. People demand speed and features, but want all CHEAP. Well stablished companies have to follow the trend if they want to survive (being leaders).
This is making that we can have MORE things, but no BETTER than tweenty years ago. Sure, faster, with more capacity, etc... but my first computer could still be in use. A modern table or laptop usually breaks or mysteriously fails after a couple of years.
The topic is too broad to be discussed here, but just some brushstrokes.
Things just change.
Hi fez,If you buy chinese stuff, open it and see if at least ground is where it should be (some products have ground and live...REVERSED) and other odd stuff like capacitors backwards, any obvious.
Hmm, yeah i have feeling that some bigger brands use their ''status'' as ''excuse'' (probably wrong word) to make low-quality products, while being luxury-priced.It doesn't follow that cheap is lower quality, quite the reverse in many cases
Hmm, yeah i have feeling that some bigger brands use their ''status'' as ''excuse'' ... to make low-quality products, while being luxury-priced.
...(probably wrong word)
Not quality issue, but i don't like new cars in the way when pillars get in way and there's all fancy stuff like reverse-camera. We have two Chrysler pt cruisers, only differences are other has turbo, other doesn't. (not that modern car per-se....)
The steering radius is just like what elephant would go around, way too big compared to car's size: wheels just won't turn enough, and it's pain to maneuver in tight spaces. Pillars get in way. And changing headlamps are pain, not even local car-repair shops know how to (no wonder, there are too many cars out there) so, it's possible, but you must take wheel out, then you have access on bulbs....Thank god i haven't gotten my hands on CAN-bus vehicles,I've heard they too are annoying when it comes to bulbs. This all was just personal opinions, I'm old-fashioned, but i like when stuff can be repaired without paying arm and leg from simple services
Haha, perhaps i showed wrong bee's nest. Thing is, i'm too young to understand cars that well at allI can feel my blood pressure rising
Well that's new, even thought eart bonding test and such were passed, still earth wires were lose? This hurts me in profession-way, i'm graduated in that mains voltage EE-stuff (sorry, don't know what it is in english, but mains-voltage stuff. According to teachers i wouldn't need that lower-voltage EE based on my knowledge, but i'll try to apply to local university of applied sciences, enlish one to keep and learn english language in good level) Teacher once said that there are two main goals: NOT to get yourself killed, and NOt to get your customer killed.
Haha, perhaps i showed wrong bee's nest. Thing is, i'm too young to understand cars that well at allHonestly, i haven't even heard of person that would understand 100% of faults, considering what loose ground wire can make system-wise
WITHOUT even looking for fault, they check with fancy meter ''oh look, our meter says this'' change overprized part and sending overprized bill....only so customer can come back after 1000km so change same part. If i would have proper garage where to fix my car, i would do all stuff myself, except when some heavy-lifting is needed. And i should make better computer for my car, currently UI is in russia....and it's constantly on, draining battery. But yeah, suppose i could make ''car rant thread'' just to keep this thread clean from un-necessary stuffIf you take your car to the authorised dealer, they just keep changing modules, without fixing the fault
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