blueroomelectronics said:Well they brought the "Comfy Chair"
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Ximinez: So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles! Put her in the Comfy Chair!
dknguyen said:What movie are those from?
dknguyen said:What movie are those from?
Hank Fletcher said:As for the references to Monty Python, I think there must be some sort law of nature determining that given an infinite amount of time, all nerdly discussions will eventually gravitate towards Monty Python. Either that, or Star Wars. Possibly Dungeons and Dragons.
I think the "us and them" idea is part of what the education theory to which I referred earlier conflicts. There is only "us," and as such, to inflict punishment is only to in some way harm the whole (and thus in some part, yourself).Papabravo said:It's really about "us" and "them". If you belong to "them" for whatever reason then all manner of indignities may be perpetrated upon your person by "us". The social contract seems to require this behavior in order to reinforce belonging to "us".
For instance, Heart of Darkness, or the movie version, Apocalypse Now. I should qualify that, since the imagery of the movie can be confusing.I'm quite sure that religion is too limiting a context for this discussion of man's inhumanity to man. The literature is replete with examples of this theme.
Ah, but doesn't your referencing it now prove that it still does? 42!RadioRon said:Well, at least some things change. It used to be that Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy exerted that kind of gravity.
Nigel Goodwin said:Considering Christianity is a long story of murder, torture and atrocities (not to mentioned death and destruction from on high, via some imaginary fictional being), this is essentially a punishment of a highly religious culture, like Christianity.
Spanish Inquisition - who were they?.
Heavens, no!quixotron said:...those people were having sex with each other...
I think what you described is actually called genocide....there was no other logical response except for punishment.
He may or may have not. THe bible may or may have not. But either way, people have been murdered in the name of Christianity (as well as other religions of course). I think the two most well know ones for Christianity was the Spanish Inquisition and Emperor Constantine's unification of Christianity. That's what I meant about the thinking about what your religion is actually telling you to do before acting on it blindly. It's happened before for Christians, and it seems to be happening to some Islamic followers now. It has more to do with what the followers do than the religion itself. Humans can warp anything to their own ends.quixotron said:where did christ say to murder people?
Constantine's Imperial Christianity said:One of the first things Constantine does, as emperor, is start persecuting other Christians. The Gnostic Christians are targeted...and other dualist Christians. Christians who don't have the Old Testament as part of their canon are targeted. The list of enemies goes on and on. There's a kind of internal purge of the church as one emperor ruling one empire tries to have this single church as part of the religious musculature of his vision of a renewed Rome. And it's with this theological vision in mind that Constantine not only helps the bishops to iron out a unitary policy of what a true Christian believes, but he also, interestingly, turns his attention to Jerusalem, and rebuilds Jerusalem just as a righteous king should do. But what Constantine does is take the city, which was something of a backwater, and he begins to build beautiful basilicas and architecturally ambitious projects in the city itself. The sacred space of the Temple Mount he abandons. It's not reclaimable. And what he does is [to] religiously relocate the center of gravity of the city around the places where Christ had suffered, where he had been buried, or where he [had] been raised. So that in the great basilicas that he built, Constantine has a new Jerusalem, that's splendid and beautiful and... his reputation as an imperial architect resonates with great figures in biblical history like David and Solomon. In a sense, Constantine is a non-apocalyptic Messiah for the church. ...
The bishops are terribly grateful for this kind of imperial attention. It's not the western Middle Ages. The lines of power are unambiguous. Constantine is absolutely the source of authority. And there's no question about that. But the bishops are able to take advantage of Constantine's mood and his curious intellectual interest in things like Christology and the Trinity and Church organization. They're able to have bibles copied at public expense. They are finally able to have public Christian architecture and big basilicas. So there's a comfortable symbiotic relationship between the empire and the church, one that, in a sense, is what defines the cultural powerhouse of Europe and the West."
dknguyen said:He may or may have not. THe bible may or may have not. But either way, people have been murdered in the name of Christianity (as well as other religions of course). I think the two most well know ones for Christianity was the Spanish Inquisition and Emperor Constantine's unification of Christianity. That's what I meant about the thinking about what your religion is actually telling you to do before acting on it blindly. It's happened before for Christians, and it seems to be happening to some Islamic followers now. It has more to do with what the followers do than the religion itself. Humans can warp anything to their own ends.
And the Emperor who consolidated the Roman Empire under Christianity, and did some not so savoury things to do it was Emperor Constantine. THat's the name I was trying to remember.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/why/legitimization.html
Now that is one powerful dude.
And said council where Constantine and the bishops determined what a true Christian believes and which scripctures (or stories, or writings, whatever you call them) would be considered valid was the "Council Of Nicea"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
It's actually a very interesting read. I've been thinking about getting a bible or whatever other scripture and sitting down and reading it. There's seems to be a shortage of the kinds of stories I like to read.
quixotron said:uhhh scripture doesn't recognize the papacy/roman catholic church.?
Careful there this could lead down a different road about something else if it not handled properly.genocide is the correct term, yes. so what's your point, hank?
dknguyen said:But you still go to Church do you not? Or is it a personal belief and systems/structure thing. Or did you find a way to reconcile the two. I don't consider the religion and the institution the same thing. I find that dangerous. I don't really trust the institution. A lot of people seem to think the institution is the religion which I have a problem with.
Careful there this could lead down a different road about something else if it not handled properly.
Your reasoning seems to be that genocide is justified if Christ commands it. The world can do without that kind of single-minded righteousness.quixotron said:genocide is the correct term, yes. so what's your point, hank?
quixotron said:no i don't go to church. i am distrustful and suspicious about churches. i read and study scripture on my own. thats not to say all chruches are bad, its just that i have yet to find one that isn't a lying, treacherous sanctuary for the devil.
if i want to talk to the lord, i'll pray. i don't need a priest or a deacon or a wizard/magician to intervene. everything you need for life and the afterlife is in scripture.
The lord ordered saul to commit genocide on the amalekites, i just wanted to know where hank is leading with this.
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