Mr RB I'm like you I would like to see it to like shown some pictures it would help maybe a circuit or two would be good.This thread could have gone somewhere good. I personally would have liked to see pictures of his electrolysis setup, schematics of his control unit etc and maybe people could have commented on making it better, more efficient plate clearing, electrolyte circulation, higher efficiency electronics, electroliser heat recycling etc. Hydrogen IS a legitimate energy storage medium and there is a lack of legit hydrogen research going on by people who actually have the skills.
But the thread immediately headed out into left field talking about JFK and Meyers and government conspiracies etc etc. And so the people who have the skills will walk away accomplishing nothing and claiming "hydrogen is a scam" and the people who don't have the skills will keep trying to make the world a better place but hindered by burning their fingers on their smoking output caps.
Sigh.
Bill I don't no how to post it. I didn't no where to attache my files to the forum but I give you this Alternative Energy research by Zero Fossil Fuel - Hydrogen, Solar, Wind LoL that site don't show how the OP made hisI can not find any help in these forums as to how to post a .bmp or .jpg or whatever. The schematic at ZFF's site is exactly what I have been working with except I put 2 130 amp mosfets in parallel. So there it can be found. No secret's, nothing hidden. Just guys trying to get something working right. ZFF is apparently a busy fellow so I can't slight him because his circuit DID fix a lot of problems to date.
thank you again
Of course you're not going to want to read any HHO information with the science behind it.
Run your car on water? - it's a scam!
People can say what they want, I have no problem with that. HHO is not an alternate energy but is actually wastefull, you just can't get around the laws of thermodynamics. Instead of a link I'll post this article on why.
From Aardvark Daily
And as I stated I will do the experiments in as scientific of fashion as possible if I choose to do them at all. I have the materials, the equipment to fashion the components, the knowledge of electrical and electronics devices, and the knowledge and hands on experience with internal combustion engines to be able to account for what does or does not happen.
If I do it and nothing happens I will state that nothing happened. But if something does...I am going to find out what caused it and why it so happens despite the present scientific opinions that it shouldn't work at all. And then I too will customize my design to fit my vehicles and give the dirty finger to the fuel companies a bit more than I do right now!
Besides, once the universe rotated around the earth, the world was flat, machines couldn't fly, and the sound barrier couldn't be broken by anything large enough a human could fit into! And absolutely everybody knew all of that was scientifically true and unquestionable facts!
Alternative Energy research by Zero Fossil Fuel - Hydrogen, Solar, Wind LoL that site don't show how the OP made his
cel or what ever you call it.
Why can't people that say they want help post what there taking about.
They have the pwm part but what making your capacitor go bad could be in the cel
Prove it. Post your design. Did you modify your O2 sensor? Why aren't you rich? Why doesn't every own one of your designs? Where's your Nobel prize?
I did say in my post above to keep this above board and no sooner the skeptics have moved to try and de-rail this entire thread. I will leaves things be for now and any further non topical posts( you know what I mean) the op will wish they didnt post.
The whole point about separating the forum was to let RE and Alternate energy be separate and mainly to stop the entire forum becoming a joke. If some members just want to continue trashing this part of the forum then maybe they shouldn'y bother posting in here.
Regards Bryan
The thing is some people dont care about how much money something will make them. If I do get a system built and in the highly unlikely event it does produce large amounts of mechanical power with very little fuel used I am not going to be shooting my mouth off about it in order to make millions but rather quietly using it to better my own life with as little attention drawn to me as possible.
First realistic theory is that if it does work I am building a system of co- generation gen sets and then be selling power back to the utilities with it if the operating cost outlay is even only slightly less than the sale of electricity is worth.
Second is that I would be setting up a number of over the road trucks to do goods transport trucking. Cutting the cost of fuel out of trucking would give me a substantial advantage over any other trucking business.
As far as the over unity claims one very simple fact always seem to get overlooked. The fact we are surrounded by incredible amounts of naturally occurring forms of energy already. By tapping into them that does not disobey any laws of science.
Here is an example of not so over unity but still could count if all forms of energy are not taken into account.
If you took a your vehicles alternator and left out the mechanical input aspect of it what you would see is a device that takes a small electrical current and turns it into a large one. Its over unity in the electrical sense provided you dont account for the other 'mechanical input' part of the equation.
That's how much of the over unity claims can in fact be dismissed and still work within the laws of science. The extra energy is coming from a less known or simply overlooked commonly occurring source.
Just a theory.
Very true.
But have you ever tapped on a deep cycle battery after it has been charging for while?
The mechanical shock will knock loose the built up hydrogen bubbles between the plates and for a short time there is an measurable increase in charging current.
What happens is the bubbles will build up and cut down on the conductive area of the plate surfaces. When tapped on the physical jolt will get many of those bubbles to break free from the plate surfaces and thusly opens up a larger surface ares for the acid to interact with which relates to the increase in current flow until the bubbles are reformed again.
Solid provable and proven science.
OK, so what's the problem you are having with the constant current PWM source? Are you using current sensing and a closed loop system to control the PWM so it always passes the correct current?
Can you please post a schematic .gif etc of the circuit you are using now?
Can you please post a schematic .gif etc of the circuit you are using now?
You could also just set up a way to sweep through the aproximate freqency range of the cell. Going slow will alow the right resonance point to to do it thing.
So what type of material are you useing for the electrodes and what type of electrolyte are you using?
I have worked with basic home built electrolysis cells for other aplications and have had good results with 300 and 400 series stainless steels for the elctrodes and just using saturated soduim hydroxide and water as the electrolyte.
One type of Red Devel drain cleaner is 100% sodium hydroxide in crystaline form.
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