Thanks guys! So for a quick update...I have PK4 working with the 18f45k20 44 pin demo board, turns out this muppet didnt know the pk4 dosnt supply power! [red face], powered it up and bingo, odly enough I also think the other tools are working but staying with pk4 for now.
Not got a led blinking yet but slowly progressing through different compiler notes and data sheets etc etc (no I have never read a electronics data sheet before!), Turns out they write them in something that has words similar to english ones, but mostly its double dutch
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Kind of enjoying the pain lol, also soldered today!!
In other news...I have no idea if I should laugh or cry, I started up the oscilloscope and it wont get past the start screen!! Really not happy but if the seller is reasonable it can go back!
Regards
Marty