using PWM to dim LED NEON STRIP

MrDEB · Jul 10, 2023

couldn't locate this thread but here is the issue
I breadboarded this circuit and it seems to work driving just an LED but I am driving a 12v led neon strip.
The circuit flashes the strip slowly to fast as per pot adjustment.
The 555 circuit works as planned with one LED (it is supposed to change the duty cycle
Thinking the two different supply voltages has something but what to do? Any suggestions?
NOTE THE 7555 IS POWERED BY THE pic
the MOSFET is logic level

MrDEB · Jul 15, 2023

Ahh a momentary pushbutton!
a button for each channel (led strip)

For The Popcorn · Jul 15, 2023

For The Popcorn said:
If the goal is just to control the overall brightness of all of the strips, all the falderal could be replaced with an AND gate in front of each MOSFET. One of the inputs goes to the controlling port pin. The other input of all of the AND gates goes to a PWM pin. THE PWM output (i.e., ONE, SUNGULAR) controls the brightness of all of the strips. The other input controls whether each strip is on.

I really tried my best to explain this concept as completely as possible when I posted it.

The ONE PWM output controls the overall brightness of ALL of the strips, which WILL BE THE SAME FOR ALL OF THE STRIPS.

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For The Popcorn · Jul 15, 2023

Here is a truth table for an AND gate, just to cover 100% of the concept I presented. A and B are inputs. Y is the output.

One when both inputs are HIGH is the output HIGH. If the "control" input is LOW and the PWM input has a square wave, the output will always be off.

If the "control" input is high and the PWM input is active, the output will follow the PWM signal.

MrDEB · Jul 15, 2023

I wanted to be able to adjust each strip individually.
I simulated Jverive suggestion (post#16) and IF I can alter my pc boards without having to reorder, this idea of controlling the 555 timer with the RESET pin looks promising.
One thing, the RESET pin goes high the MOSFET GATE looks like 10.6 volts. The data sheet says Vgs= 10v +/-
Does this mean I shouldn't exceed 10 volts on the gate?

For The Popcorn · Jul 15, 2023

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MrDEB said:
I wanted to be able to adjust each strip individually.

For The Popcorn said:
If the goal is just to control the overall brightness of all of the strips......

My intent was made perfectly clear in my post. Sorry this and every other point I made was unclear to you. I typed as slowly as I could!

MrDEB · Jul 15, 2023

here is a screenshot of the 555 timer with dimming simulation
using an 8v zenier

ChrisP58 · Jul 17, 2023

MrDEB said:
I wanted to be able to adjust each strip individually.
...

What I would do is to connect the three pots to three analog input pins of the microcontroller. Run an ADC on the three pins and load the values into the PWM registers. That would give you real time control of the brightness. No 555s required.

tumbleweed · Jul 17, 2023

If you wanted to use hdw PWM you'd have to use a different PIC... the 18F2221 only has 2 CCP/PWM peripherals.

Of course, pretty much every single thread MrDEB's involved with has used some form of software PWM, and we're only on pg 2. It'd be easy to use a timer and generate three PWM outputs.

danadak · Jul 17, 2023

MrDEB said:
I wanted to be able to adjust each strip individually.
I simulated Jverive suggestion (post#16) and IF I can alter my pc boards without having to reorder, this idea of controlling the 555 timer with the RESET pin looks promising.
One thing, the RESET pin goes high the MOSFET GATE looks like 10.6 volts. The data sheet says Vgs= 10v +/-
Does this mean I shouldn't exceed 10 volts on the gate?

Vgs max :

The 10V value you are referring to is a spec for Rdson :

Regards, Dana.

MrDEB · Jul 17, 2023

Reason I am using 18f221 is I have about 10 of them on hand.
It was mentioned to use a timer and get 3 PWM outputs. Hom many are pissable?
QUESTION?? What is wrong with using the 555 timer?
I need to invistiagte post#29

MrDEB · Jul 17, 2023

Am confused as the datasheet for the RFP12N10L states a maximum rating of Vgs is +-10
yet post#29 shows -30 to 30 volts
EXPLAIN WOULD HELP

danadak · Jul 17, 2023

Post # 29 was for 2N7002, from post #22

Regards, Dana.

MrDEB · Jul 17, 2023

So I must not exceed 10 volts on the Vgs?

For The Popcorn · Jul 17, 2023

danadak said:
Post # 29 was for 2N7002, from post #22

Regards, Dana.

Sorry I caused some confusion. I showed 2N7002s in a concept starting in post #18. Considering that nearly every point in the six sentences describing the concept were overlooked, I eventually added this disclaimer in a following post.

For The Popcorn said:
Note, power and ground connections and a 100nF bypass cap are not shown in the schematic. MOSFET part numbers are representative only and are NOT a recommendation.

danadak · Jul 17, 2023

MrDEB said:
So I must not exceed 10 volts on the Vgs?

For the part of interest that is correct, max rating below :

Regards, Dana.

tumbleweed · Jul 17, 2023

it was mentioned to use a timer and get 3 PWM outputs. Hom many are pissable?

In this thread they're all pissable. The number of possible timers is the number of IO pins you have.
Probably the less you have, the simpler it is to write the code.

QUESTION?? What is wrong with using the 555 timer?

QUESTION? what the hell is the micro doing other than just sitting there?
You've almost added more circuitry with the 555's than the entire rest of the board.

MrDEB · Jul 18, 2023

Here is the revised schematic with the pic controlling the 555 timers for dimming of led strips
All the MOSFETs connected to portA are used for other led strips. For example from the picture in post#12 the green strips each have their own port controlling them. PortC.0 - portC.6 control single green leds that are located in the straw to simulate "sipping" on the straw. The frosted blue (the glass) is going to be dimmed as will the red straw

tumbleweed · Jul 18, 2023

You forgot the zener diodes to clamp the gate voltage to 10V max.

Better yet, why are you running the 555's at 12V?
Just run them at 5V with everything else and then you won't have to bother with the zener.
You're using logic-level mosfets so the output of the 555's @ 5V should be fine.

ChrisP58 · Jul 18, 2023

tumbleweed said:
You forgot the zener diodes to clamp the gate voltage to 10V max.

Better yet, why are you running the 555's at 12V?
Just run them at 5V with everything else and then you won't have to bother with the zener.
You're using logic-level mosfets so the output of the 555's @ 5V should be fine.

According to TIs datasheet for the LM555, the typical output when Vcc is 5 Volts is only 3.3 Volts, which is probably not enough to fully turn the mosfet on.

MrDEB · Jul 18, 2023

SEE POST#16
YES I forgot to put the zener diode in the schematic. My bad
need to see what is available. 8v or 9v

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