Competing with countries that enslave their populus is always going to be very difficult. Chinese workers today are seen striking...because they haven't eaten for days.Perhaps if you can't build a cost-competitive LED streetlight given any real or imagined constraints, it's time to focus elsewhere.
Please read this....the government running anything makes a complete mess of it, and is a VERY expensive and inefficient way to do anything.
The Chinese Government runs all Chinese industry, and they have progressed fantasticaly in just 20 years........i dont like the starvation-of-staff side of it, but they have worked miracles.the government running anything makes a complete mess of it,
We can very easily build streetlight drivers, just like the philips xitanium range, but we cant buy components as cheaply as a huge multinational.Perhaps if you can't build a cost-competitive LED streetlight given any real or imagined constraints, it's time to focus elsewhere.
Here, this is done at the university level. Some money does to senior students why make something that is short on "engineering". Then they pay a consultant like me to make changes to get to a reliable product. Then the product goes to privet industry.but the principle is that the government run company would train up loads of engineers
Good point. There's also the small matter of manufacturing labor costs. What is this government-run company going to do, pay their assembly workers tuppence an hour? Unless they do, the Chinese products will be cheaper. Engineering costs on an extremely high-volume product are but a tiny part of the total unit cost.Why would you imagine you'd need 'loads'?, it's only a street light - a couple of engineers (or even one) would be all you'd need. However, as has been proved over and over again, the government running anything makes a complete mess of it, and is a VERY expensive and inefficient way to do anything.
Thanks, but what would be your alternative plans to solve this.....This idea of establishing a government-run company to train loads of street light power supply design engineers is puerile to the point of being asinine.
..good point, ...import tariffs are the only way round this, ...President Trump is already doing this -just recentrly declaring it...the EU already do it on a big scale.the Chinese products will be cheaper
As you know, a streetlight power supply, is basically a power supply...its not terribly particular to streetlights, this isnt about streetlights.....because anybody who can design a 150w streetlight power supply could design power supplys for 100's of different sectors.......i just picked streetlights because the uk taxpayer happens to pay for them........pick another area if you wish.....i think it makes little difference, as long as the staff get trained up.This idea of establishing a government-run company to train loads of street light power supply design engineers is puerile to the point of being asinine
Maybe it wouldnt need loads, but thats missing the point....the point is that the UK (at least, and i suspect other countries aswell) government needs to train up engineers, and doing it in a way that produces actual products is a good idea......whatever those products are doesnt matter....but , for example, prefereably not something like DSP algorithms to detect submarines where-ever they are in the oceans is not a good idea, because its too complicated, and the students (or most of them) wouldnt be able to do it.Why would you imagine you'd need 'loads'?, it's only a street light - a couple of engineers (or even one) would be all you'd need.
Thanks, but what would be your alternative plans to solve this.....
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most succesful tech companies in the world are government controlled
all Japan companys are (behind the scenes) government controlled
all working under government control.
Me think your tin foil hat fell off and the space radiation is effecting you thinking.all working under government control.
That is, literally, the most insane thing I've read all year. And it's been a long year.The most succesful tech companies in the world are government controlled…..take the American semiconductor designers…Texas, Analog devices, onsemi, etc etc……..they are USA government controlled….there is no way the USA government would allow them to be free private enterprises…..these industries form the heart of the American military machine. There is no way the Yank government would allow them to be free and private…because if they were they could get bought out by foreigners etc etc….or “influenced” to sell off some of their IP to foreigners etc etc
They are government controlled, and they are massively successful…I could say “I rest my case”
......Thanks, with President Trump (who has brought great success to the USA).....
Thanks, ok, so what about this....we buy streetlights from China, with no tariffs...but the purchase is done by the government, and the money thus saved goes to the tax system, where the public services and education system can benefit from it.tariffs are a tax all consumers pay.
Anyway, it has just dawned on me that readers of this forum are American citizens..
Based on the utter nonsense he's posted here, ignorance is the least of his problems.He's no idea what's going on anywhere
actually, they are privately owned. they DO bid for government contracts, and compete heavily for them. they are not government owned (that would be socialism), and they don't have government employees or government representatives embedded in their leadership and controlling how the business is run (that would be fascism). there are some companies that exclusively provide goods and services for government contracts, and work closely with the government (Sandia Labs which makes physics packages for nuclear weapons) but even these companies are privately owned. any US citizen or company can bid for government contracts BTW.The most succesful tech companies in the world are government controlled…..take the American semiconductor designers…Texas, Analog devices, onsemi, etc etc……..they are USA government controlled….there is no way the USA government would allow them to be free private enterprises…..these industries form the heart of the American military machine. There is no way the Yank government would allow them to be free and private…because if they were they could get bought out by foreigners etc etc….or “influenced” to sell off some of their IP to foreigners etc etc
An engineer working in a public company will do a great job, because they want the product on their CV. ….so that one day they can go into the private sector and perhaps earn that little bit more.
that was wartime and technical development of things like RADAR, high tech aircraft, communication systems, and nuclear weapons were needed to win the war. Germany already had operational control of it's industries, because fascism preceded the war.In World war Two, the Germans /British/ Yanks produced some of the greatest technology,…..all working under government control.
actually, China privatized most of the industries there, and that's what has turned their economy around. the Chinese government does collect 50% of the profits as taxes, so the government's policies still suck.yes but look at China, all Chinese industry is Government owned....what the Chinese have done over the last 20 years, their transformation to be the worlds biggest exporter by volume, is amazing.
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