Can a Factory built microwave oven have microwave leakage?

[Nigel Goodwin]

Hi there Nigel,

Yeah you are right, that is a lot of power, and bad for the eyes if not anything else.
I could imagine a 500 watt white LED from 2 feet away. It would hurt the eyes very badly.
Conclusion: not a good idea to take the door off

This reminds me of an episode of South Park where one of the main characters, Randy, wanted to be able to buy medicinal marijuana but the doctor said nothing was wrong with him so he could not get a referral. Well, the next day we see Randy holding his mid section up near a microwave oven with the door open and it running full blast in an attempt to get testicular cancer so he could get a referral and then buy 'weed'. It was funny as heck, especially when his lower man parts both grew as big as basketballs, and he had to bounce around on them to get anywhere in town.
The writers of that show are truly the textbook examples of crazy (ha ha).

As I've mentioned previously, an old friend (now sadly long since deceased) worked on radar during WW2, and he had two RF burns on one of his arms (I can't remember which one) from adjusting them. Apparently who had to reach deep inside the transmitter to adjust something, and every time you did you suffered two RF burns, about an inch or so across, separated by another inch. He told me that everyone who did that job had the burns.

And of course Microwave Ovens were developed (and the idea came from) that work during WW2.

 

[MrAl]

As I've mentioned previously, an old friend (now sadly long since deceased) worked on radar during WW2, and he had two RF burns on one of his arms (I can't remember which one) from adjusting them. Apparently who had to reach deep inside the transmitter to adjust something, and every time you did you suffered two RF burns, about an inch or so across, separated by another inch. He told me that everyone who did that job had the burns.

And of course Microwave Ovens were developed (and the idea came from) that work during WW2.

Oh that's very sad to hear. Some strange stuff I wonder why they didn't do something about that.

Yes, I've read that is where the first idea for a microwave oven came from. Someone who was in the military also told me one time that they could fry a duck in mid-air with the radar, but don't know how true that is. They must have been high power though.

I am very thankful for microwave ovens they make it so much easier and cleaner to cook. I use one myself almost every day for almost everything I cook. For me it is one of the best inventions of all time.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Oh that's very sad to hear. Some strange stuff I wonder why they didn't do something about that.

There was a war on, a few minor burns wasn't of any concern.

Yes, I've read that is where the first idea for a microwave oven came from. Someone who was in the military also told me one time that they could fry a duck in mid-air with the radar, but don't know how true that is. They must have been high power though.

I am very thankful for microwave ovens they make it so much easier and cleaner to cook. I use one myself almost every day for almost everything I cook. For me it is one of the best inventions of all time.

I don't know about flying birds, at least back in the early days, but birds (or people) got cooked and killed by radar - that's why you're supposed to take the security locking key with you if working on the transmit antenna. I can quite believe the power of modern radar systems could knock birds out of the sky, some are crazy powerful.

I did hear of someone who got killed by removing the key, and just placing it on a nearby shelf - and someone plugged it back in - oops Still, he never made that mistake again.

 

[MrAl]

There was a war on, a few minor burns wasn't of any concern.



I don't know about flying birds, at least back in the early days, but birds (or people) got cooked and killed by radar - that's why you're supposed to take the security locking key with you if working on the transmit antenna. I can quite believe the power of modern radar systems could knock birds out of the sky, some are crazy powerful.

I did hear of someone who got killed by removing the key, and just placing it on a nearby shelf - and someone plugged it back in - oops Still, he never made that mistake again.

Yeah I hate thinking about the war. Two of my uncles were killed in WW2. I never got to meet them as I wasn't born until after that. I would not have minded having two uncles with burn marks on their arms. They were laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetary.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Yeah I hate thinking about the war. Two of my uncles were killed in WW2. I never got to meet them as I wasn't born until after that. I would not have minded having two uncles with burn marks on their arms. They were laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetary.

Yes, bad times - in fact I'm lucky to be here.

My father finished his training, and his platoon were lined up waiting to be sent off to France. Then an officer walked down the row and said, you, you and you, (just random picks) come with me - he took them away and put them in the pay corps.

The rest of the platoon were sent to France, and a week later were completely wiped out

 

[MrAl]

Yes, bad times - in fact I'm lucky to be here.

My father finished his training, and his platoon were lined up waiting to be sent off to France. Then an officer walked down the row and said, you, you and you, (just random picks) come with me - he took them away and put them in the pay corps.

The rest of the platoon were sent to France, and a week later were completely wiped out

OMG that's terrible. Yes lucky your dad was not one of them that's nice to hear.
So you appreciate your life. All of us members here also have to appreciate that too.

Now that you've mentioned it, maybe I should appreciate my life more too because if one of those two uncles was my dad, I would not be here either. I might have been born a girl in China. YIKES
One of my dad's aunts wrote to Washington to ask them to send my dad back to the states (he was stationed in Germany at the time just like his two brothers) because they already lost two sons in that war and that was more than enough already. They agreed and sent him back to the states. So I was lucky she wrote that letter because times were very bad over there.

 

[gary350]

Yes, bad times - in fact I'm lucky to be here.

My father finished his training, and his platoon were lined up waiting to be sent off to France. Then an officer walked down the row and said, you, you and you, (just random picks) come with me - he took them away and put them in the pay corps.

The rest of the platoon were sent to France, and a week later were completely wiped out

WWII my father was sent to diesel mechanic school and was suppose to go over sea to repair diesel trucks. The day he was suppose to ship out they changed his orders, he spent the entire war working in an artillery factory in Mattoon Illinois, 12 hour shifts 7 days a week no time off, no vacation, for several years. He had a photo of himself, he was 6 ft tall and weighed 100 lbs at the end of the war.

 

[MrAl]

WWII my father was sent to diesel mechanic school and was suppose to go over sea to repair diesel trucks. The day he was suppose to ship out they changed his orders, he spent the entire war working in an artillery factory in Mattoon Illinois, 12 hour shifts 7 days a week no time off, no vacation, for several years. He had a photo of himself, he was 6 ft tall and weighed 100 lbs at the end of the war.

Wow that's nuts too.
Artillery factory, that's one place I would not want to have to work in.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Wow that's nuts too.
Artillery factory, that's one place I would not want to have to work in.

About five miles from where I live is a large explosives factory, and a friend of mine used to work there. He always used to laugh at the old cowboy films so carefully transporting nitroglycerine in horse drawn wagons.

Apparently they used to make it in 45 gallon drum sized tubs with an employee stirring it with a big wooden paddle

He did say you could only work on that line for two weeks or so, as the fumes thinned your blood too much, and after two weeks you were starting to get a permanent headache.

Needless to say, the site is large, with many individual buildings, well separated, and built-in to the ground, with earth banks round them - so if one goes up, nothing else goes up

 

[MrAl]

About five miles from where I live is a large explosives factory, and a friend of mine used to work there. He always used to laugh at the old cowboy films so carefully transporting nitroglycerine in horse drawn wagons.

Apparently they used to make it in 45 gallon drum sized tubs with an employee stirring it with a big wooden paddle

He did say you could only work on that line for two weeks or so, as the fumes thinned your blood too much, and after two weeks you were starting to get a permanent headache.

Needless to say, the site is large, with many individual buildings, well separated, and built-in to the ground, with earth banks round them - so if one goes up, nothing else goes up

YIKES! ha ha.

So they admit that there is a possibility that one might go up with the inclusion of dirt mounds. Interesting

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

YIKES! ha ha.

So they admit that there is a possibility that one might go up with the inclusion of dirt mounds. Interesting

It's standard procedure, with buildings having thick walls and weak roofs - so if anything goes BOOM!! it all goes upwards, not outwards

Here's a link to an old Derbyshire lead mine, called Magpie Mine - at the right hand side, about two thirds of the way up is a circular building - it was the explosives store, notices it's circular, with thick walls, and the opening points away from the mine, the roof was thin and slanted, and has long since rotted away.

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/magpie-mine-peak-district-national-park-2200240299

Found a closer picture:

Incidentally, I've been to the bottom of that (very deep) shaft - not down the shaft, but we walked (bent over) up the sough (drainage level) a considerable distance (1.2m) to the bottom of the main shaft. The sough empties into the river Wye, and the lower part of the sough was dug through shale, and there was an airshaft up through the shale. During WW2 the mine was closed, and with no maintenance the shale collapsed down the airshaft, blocking the sough. Because of this the water levels built up in the mine, increasing pressure on the blockage - until eventually the pressure became too high, and blew a large chunk off the hillside, complete with trees. leaving a huge scar in the side of the valley.

You couldn't miss it as you drove past, as it was only a couple of hundred yards from a main road - but eventually the PDMHS (Peak District Mines Historical Society) dug it out, and fitted large concrete pipes through the shale section. The plan was to fit a locked gate over it, but we went up before that happened

The only easy bit was through the 6 foot concrete pipes, after that it was too low to walk, and too high to crawl

This picture was taken about the time we went up, and before it was gated - you can clearly see the loose shale above it.

I've been to 'modernish' coal mines, now all closed in the UK, and they kept explosives in small 'cupboards' in very thick outside walls, with multiple ones spaced well apart. A bit like a line of well spaced safes Presumably if one went off it would blow the door off, and cause no other damage?.

 

[MrAl]

It's standard procedure, with buildings having thick walls and weak roofs - so if anything goes BOOM!! it all goes upwards, not outwards

Here's a link to an old Derbyshire lead mine, called Magpie Mine - at the right hand side, about two thirds of the way up is a circular building - it was the explosives store, notices it's circular, with thick walls, and the opening points away from the mine, the roof was thin and slanted, and has long since rotted away.

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/magpie-mine-peak-district-national-park-2200240299

Found a closer picture:

View attachment 147690

Incidentally, I've been to the bottom of that (very deep) shaft - not down the shaft, but we walked (bent over) up the sough (drainage level) a considerable distance (1.2m) to the bottom of the main shaft. The sough empties into the river Wye, and the lower part of the sough was dug through shale, and there was an airshaft up through the shale. During WW2 the mine was closed, and with no maintenance the shale collapsed down the airshaft, blocking the sough. Because of this the water levels built up in the mine, increasing pressure on the blockage - until eventually the pressure became too high, and blew a large chunk off the hillside, complete with trees. leaving a huge scar in the side of the valley.

You couldn't miss it as you drove past, as it was only a couple of hundred yards from a main road - but eventually the PDMHS (Peak District Mines Historical Society) dug it out, and fitted large concrete pipes through the shale section. The plan was to fit a locked gate over it, but we went up before that happened

The only easy bit was through the 6 foot concrete pipes, after that it was too low to walk, and too high to crawl

This picture was taken about the time we went up, and before it was gated - you can clearly see the loose shale above it.

View attachment 147691

I've been to 'modernish' coal mines, now all closed in the UK, and they kept explosives in small 'cupboards' in very thick outside walls, with multiple ones spaced well apart. A bit like a line of well spaced safes Presumably if one went off it would blow the door off, and cause no other damage?.

Hi,

Wow that's amazing what they go through for this stuff.
You reminded me of an area in Russia too where they had concrete buildings separated from each other, and use them for doing ammunition of different types. There was one opening in the back of each building. If anything blew, it would just blow out that back side, but unfortunately, I am sure it would take all the workers with it. The workers in the other buildings would not be affected except probably have some heart attacks after hearing the noise
I had forgotten all about that.

I also forgot we have an arsenal up north of here, about 20 to 30 miles up. I am plenty far from that though, and don't care to visit that place (ha ha).

 

[ZipZapOuch]

Hi,

Wow that's amazing what they go through for this stuff.
You reminded me of an area in Russia too where they had concrete buildings separated from each other, and use them for doing ammunition of different types. There was one opening in the back of each building. If anything blew, it would just blow out that back side, but unfortunately, I am sure it would take all the workers with it. The workers in the other buildings would not be affected except probably have some heart attacks after hearing the noise
I had forgotten all about that.

I also forgot we have an arsenal up north of here, about 20 to 30 miles up. I am plenty far from that though, and don't care to visit that place (ha ha).

There was an Alane (AlH3) rocket fuel plant in the Soviet Union - it was made in small reactors (1 kg batches or less) in little 3-walled kiosks with blow-out roof and wall. They were constantly training new "chemists" to make it. Bodies were disposable, they were doing it for their country - or told that's why they were doing it.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

There was an Alane (AlH3) rocket fuel plant in the Soviet Union - it was made in small reactors (1 kg batches or less) in little 3-walled kiosks with blow-out roof and wall. They were constantly training new "chemists" to make it. Bodies were disposable, they were doing it for their country - or told that's why they were doing it.

Just how they treat their soldiers as well.

 

[ZipZapOuch]

Just how they treat their soldiers as well.

Most countries fight wars that way. Imagine being sent to Normandy, motoring towards the beach, landing on the beach, climbing the cliffs (hills) to get to the bunkers that the Germans were using to shoot artillery and automatic weapons from just mowing down line after line of allied forces approaching.

Likewise, just sending more and more men to Vietnam when a 7000 page report (look up "the pentagon papers") shows that the country has questionable strategic importance, and the war can't be won at the level of commitment the American people are willing to accept. So, the government continues to push bodies at an acceptable rate until someone finally says, time to stop.

Likewise, Afghanistan war. Iraq war.

It's called war because it's terrible.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Most countries fight wars that way.

Not at all, the Russians, going back to at least WWI and WWII commonly used troops (and civilians) as cannon fodder, sending them out to be killed just to use up the enemies ammunition - exactly as they are still doing today.

Storming the Normandy beaches, or WWI trenches, were indeed terrible, but were actual effective military strategies - not just cannon fodder.

 

[MrAl]

Most countries fight wars that way. Imagine being sent to Normandy, motoring towards the beach, landing on the beach, climbing the cliffs (hills) to get to the bunkers that the Germans were using to shoot artillery and automatic weapons from just mowing down line after line of allied forces approaching.

Likewise, just sending more and more men to Vietnam when a 7000 page report (look up "the pentagon papers") shows that the country has questionable strategic importance, and the war can't be won at the level of commitment the American people are willing to accept. So, the government continues to push bodies at an acceptable rate until someone finally says, time to stop.

Likewise, Afghanistan war. Iraq war.

It's called war because it's terrible.

That's how one of my uncles died, at Normandy, and the other was in the paratroopers and died while still coming down in the air. Pretty nasty.

 

[ZipZapOuch]

Storming the Normandy beaches, or WWI trenches, were indeed terrible, but were actual effective military strategies - not just cannon fodder.

It was only praised as being "effective" that time because they used enough bodies as cannon fodder to make it work. Note, it barely worked.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

It was only praised as being "effective" that time because they used enough bodies as cannon fodder to make it work. Note, it barely worked.

Rubbish, they were all soldiers, and well armed - completely different to the way Russia (and then the Soviet Union, and now Russia again) - there was no intention to throw enough untrained bodies at it for the Germans to run out of ammunition, as the Russians try and do.

 

[ZipZapOuch]

...as the Russians try and do.

Please post a link about the Russians.