I have recently started researching making Brown's gas and I think that the idea of separating hydrogen and oxygen using pulsed DC just might work more efficiently. From what I had read Stan was using a voltage of around 1.0 - 1.5 Kv DC at 20 Khz and this could be depended on the length of his plates (which I believe were stainless 416 grade) pipe on the outside and rods in the center. Also the distance between the plates I would think would effect the frequency.
I have recently started researching making Brown's gas and I think that the idea of separating hydrogen and oxygen using pulsed DC just might work more efficiently. From what I had read Stan was using a voltage of around 1.0 - 1.5 Kv DC at 20 Khz and this could be depended on the length of his plates (which I believe were stainless 416 grade) pipe on the outside and rods in the center. Also the distance between the plates I would think would effect the frequency.
Yes, I agree with you 100% Karen. That is why some people only want to supplement expensive gas with inexpensive HHO. ATM.
I haven't read anything here about how to make inexpensive HHO. Small amounts of HHO can be had using large amounts of electricity. That sounds expensive to me.That is why some people only want to supplement expensive gas with inexpensive HHO.
ATM = At The Moment
AFAIK = As Far As I Know
WRT = With Regard To
WTF = Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (What the F---?)
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
A large collection of common (and not-so-common) Internet acronyms is available at **broken link removed** (first Google hit). There are others around too.
HTH!
Torben
Mr. Meyers had many US and international patents for his device.And as you may or may not know a patent must proven to work and as described by examination from patent office experts.
Lawsuit
In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. According to The Times, Meyer claimed in court that his invention "opened the way for a car which would 'run on water', powered simply by a car battery." The car would even run perpetually without fuel since the energy needed to continue the "fracturing" was low enough for the engine's dynamo to recharge the car's battery. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed. The Water Fuel Cell, on the other hand, was examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay the two investors their $25,000.[2]
I am planning to buy a programmmer, adjust the fuel curves way lean, and adjust the air/fuel mixture from 14.7/1 to something like 30/1 or 60/1. Then add in some HHO. Very complicated and time consuming procedure. Not to mention $500 for the programmer...
skeeterb said:If anyone here watches videos from ZeroFossilFuel, I found out a disturbing fact that the stainless steel that is used as electrodes puts out a hazardous chemical because of the electrical current being passed through the steel. The chemical is Hexavalent Chromium.
Yes, I just saw that yesterday. I guess they use chromium in the manufacturing of 316 SS, and it leaches out in liquid form...
Ah hahahaha. Yes that is one element of what makes stainless steel "stainless", the chromium added to it. Now if you run current through it in a vat of water, the chromium leeches out? What does that do to the stainless steel? It will rust. Now how many of your HHO modules do you have to keep replacing the SS plates and housings due to rust contaminating your water?
Almost everything you guys say contradict everything that is already known through modern day engineering and physics.
Maybe from now on, any claims in this part of the forum should have some credible info backing it up, these HHO threads would die in a heartbeat.
What "credible info" are you referring to? I thought the guy just made a credible statement warning against hexavalent chromium.
Electric_EyE said:How do you know this?
Electric_EyE said:and exactly what are you qualifications?
Electric_EyE said:I guess you are here to educate us all with your EXPERIENCE?
Electric_EyE said:Pistons and rods are more likely to break under intense gas expansion or forced air induction like supercharging or turbocharging under lean conditions, that is NOT running at idle no matter how lean.
Electric_EyE said:I would like someone who has tried it before to educate us with their experience, not ridicule with conjecture.That is even more worthless than "crackpot" theories IMHO.
What exactly is HHO? Is HHO also known as H2O? Or is it 2H2 + O2? Or is it an entirely new compound?
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