Hello, please can somebody help me this circuits cpu to connect with display and keyboard

[gophert]

Hello Gophert

here one piece of alu there almost 256 wires
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Great, now show us a photo where some of them are connected to something.

 

[rjenkinsgb]

?????
The ALU module has three, 16 bit bus connections and about eight individual control signals.

If you think it has 200+ connections you still have very serious misunderstandings of how such things work.

 

[michael1978]

?????
The ALU module has three, 16 bit bus connections and about eight individual control signals.

If you think it has 200+ connections you still have very serious misunderstandings of how such things work.

there 4 MUX 18 pins so 4 * 16 = 72 wires so 16 inputs to ground, 16 input to input, 16 ouput to to inverter ..

after 4 INVERTER 14 pins 4 * 14 = 56 wires ( so i use all six inverters i mean i need it four inverter in chip and there are six inverter)
so 16 output to MUX

after 4 MUX again the same 4 * 16 = 72 wires so 16 Iinputs to output of inverter, 16 inputs to output of 16 output of first MUX, 16 output to 16 input
of 16 input of full adder

and FINAL fulladder chip 16 pins 4 * 16 = 72 wires so 16 input to 16 ouput of SECOND MUX, 16 input must connect in future and 16 OUTPUT FOR FUTURE but i think there is no future

where are the VCC GND SELECT STROBE wires

so in total 72 + 56 + 72 + 72 + 272 wires
right?

 

[michael1978]

sorry i did not understand so good so the first signal for this party is to take 0 or if input of mux, second signal is to take input from inverter or mux output(firs mux), and third signal is not yet,

 

[granddad]

Micheal you are flogging a dead horse.

 

[michael1978]

Micheal you are flogging a dead horse.

oo i flogg also one dead man hahaha

 

[rjenkinsgb]

there 4 MUX 18 pins so 4 * 16 = 72 wires so 16 inputs to ground, 16 input to input, 16 ouput to to inverter ..

after 4 INVERTER 14 pins 4 * 14 = 56 wires ( so i use all six inverters i mean i need it four inverter in chip and there are six inverter)
so 16 output to MUX

after 4 MUX again the same 4 * 16 = 72 wires so 16 Iinputs to output of inverter, 16 inputs to output of 16 output of first MUX, 16 output to 16 input
of 16 input of full adder

and FINAL fulladder chip 16 pins 4 * 16 = 72 wires so 16 input to 16 ouput of SECOND MUX, 16 input must connect in future and 16 OUTPUT FOR FUTURE but i think there is no future

where are the VCC GND SELECT STROBE wires

so in total 72 + 56 + 72 + 72 + 272 wires
right?

Wrong...

Two 16 bit input busses - then the rest of the connections are directly between components on that board, no external wiring until you get to the 16 bit output.

Plus half a dozen individual control signals and ground / power.


As I said, you seem to misunderstand the basic concepts.

 

[michael1978]

Wrong...

Two 16 bit input busses - then the rest of the connections are directly between components on that board, no external wiring until you get to the 16 bit output.

Plus half a dozen individual control signals and ground / power.


As I said, you seem to misunderstand the basic concepts.

to beter understand me, I did this piece, whats wrong i did?

 

[michael1978]

Wrong...

Two 16 bit input busses - then the rest of the connections are directly between components on that board, no external wiring until you get to the 16 bit output.

Plus half a dozen individual control signals and ground / power.


As I said, you seem to misunderstand the basic concepts.

no i realy understand just like i say in begin vga keyboard i dont understand, but now i stop working they come beter idea and easy
to build on fpga, i just dont know wich one to buy i mean fpga on board wich one is not best not bad but good.;-)

 

[picbits]

Show a picture of the electronics on that board with all the wires ......

 

[michael1978]

Show a picture of the electronics on that board with all the wires ......

HEY you and

Gophert​

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[rjenkinsgb]

to beter understand me, I did this piece, whats wrong i did?

Building the whole ALU module on one circuit board would have taken less space than splitting it and adding all the wire links.
It's not normal to use jumper links with pin terminal ends for soldered interconnections, just normal wire stripped and cut to length as required.


Re. the FPGA, I've never used one for anything like that so I do not know all the possibilities that could work.
You would need one with RAM included, rather than a gate-only type.

An EP4C115 would likely be suitable; some people have built PDP-8 emulators using the DE2-115 development kit which uses that device.

eg.

P0059 Terasic Inc. | Development Boards, Kits, Programmers | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. P0059 – EP4CE115 series FPGA Evaluation Board from Terasic Inc.. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.

www.digikey.co.uk

EP4CE115F29C8N Intel / Altera | Mouser

EP4CE115F29C8N Intel / Altera FPGA - Field Programmable Gate Array FPGA - Cyclone IV E 7155 LABs 528 IOs datasheet, inventory & pricing.

eu.mouser.com

Or a Xilinx Spartan-3E device - again, that has enough capability to use for a microcomputer emulator.
The dev kit for that:

Nexys 2 (Legacy) - Digilent Reference

Nexys 2 (Legacy) The Nexys 2 is now retired and no longer for sale in our store. We recommend the Nexys A7 FPGA as an alternative. Nexys2 circuit board is a complete, ready-to-use circuit development platform based on a Xilinx Spartan 3E FPGA. Its on-board high-speed USB2 port, 16Mbytes of

store.digilentinc.com

I suggest that if you are considering anything like either of those, you wait for a development kit to appear on ebay at a sensible price!

 

[Dr_Doggy]

hmm me smell troll, see post 42,43 ... Wekend , Wekeng
no google translator could be that sloppy... even if it tried

 

[Pommie]

I dismissed this as trolling a few weeks ago.

Mike.

 

[gophert]

hmm me smell troll, see post 42,43 ... Wekend , Wekeng
no google translator could be that sloppy... even if it tried

I asked for a photo in post #2 for a reason.

 

[michael1978]

Building the whole ALU module on one circuit board would have taken less space than splitting it and adding all the wire links.
It's not normal to use jumper links with pin terminal ends for soldered interconnections, just normal wire stripped and cut to length as required.


Re. the FPGA, I've never used one for anything like that so I do not know all the possibilities that could work.
You would need one with RAM included, rather than a gate-only type.

An EP4C115 would likely be suitable; some people have built PDP-8 emulators using the DE2-115 development kit which uses that device.

eg.

P0059 Terasic Inc. | Development Boards, Kits, Programmers | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. P0059 – EP4CE115 series FPGA Evaluation Board from Terasic Inc.. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.

www.digikey.co.uk

EP4CE115F29C8N Intel / Altera | Mouser

EP4CE115F29C8N Intel / Altera FPGA - Field Programmable Gate Array FPGA - Cyclone IV E 7155 LABs 528 IOs datasheet, inventory & pricing.

eu.mouser.com

Or a Xilinx Spartan-3E device - again, that has enough capability to use for a microcomputer emulator.
The dev kit for that:

Nexys 2 (Legacy) - Digilent Reference

Nexys 2 (Legacy) The Nexys 2 is now retired and no longer for sale in our store. We recommend the Nexys A7 FPGA as an alternative. Nexys2 circuit board is a complete, ready-to-use circuit development platform based on a Xilinx Spartan 3E FPGA. Its on-board high-speed USB2 port, 16Mbytes of

store.digilentinc.com

I suggest that if you are considering anything like either of those, you wait for a development kit to appear on ebay at a sensible price!

Hello thank you very much for info, but i buy this one i ask on line to ali express" can i build 16 BIT cpu i told me yes, is chip 25Euro

Building the whole ALU module on one circuit board would have taken less space than splitting it and adding all the wire links.
It's not normal to use jumper links with pin terminal ends for soldered interconnections, just normal wire stripped and cut to length as required.


Re. the FPGA, I've never used one for anything like that so I do not know all the possibilities that could work.
You would need one with RAM included, rather than a gate-only type.

An EP4C115 would likely be suitable; some people have built PDP-8 emulators using the DE2-115 development kit which uses that device.

eg.

P0059 Terasic Inc. | Development Boards, Kits, Programmers | DigiKey

Order today, ships today. P0059 – EP4CE115 series FPGA Evaluation Board from Terasic Inc.. Pricing and Availability on millions of electronic components from Digi-Key Electronics.

www.digikey.co.uk

EP4CE115F29C8N Intel / Altera | Mouser

EP4CE115F29C8N Intel / Altera FPGA - Field Programmable Gate Array FPGA - Cyclone IV E 7155 LABs 528 IOs datasheet, inventory & pricing.

eu.mouser.com

Or a Xilinx Spartan-3E device - again, that has enough capability to use for a microcomputer emulator.
The dev kit for that:

Nexys 2 (Legacy) - Digilent Reference

Nexys 2 (Legacy) The Nexys 2 is now retired and no longer for sale in our store. We recommend the Nexys A7 FPGA as an alternative. Nexys2 circuit board is a complete, ready-to-use circuit development platform based on a Xilinx Spartan 3E FPGA. Its on-board high-speed USB2 port, 16Mbytes of

store.digilentinc.com

I suggest that if you are considering anything like either of those, you wait for a development kit to appear on ebay at a sensible price!

Hello, thank you for advice info, look i am learnin throug internet vhdl so LBE https://www.youtube.com/user/LBEbooks/playlistsit explains very good, so i ask to aliexpress "can i build 16 bit cpu on this fpga, they told me yes so i buy it" https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/3281...chweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_60
is cheap just to learn and to do experiments,

 

[rjenkinsgb]

"can i build 16 bit cpu on this fpga, they told me yes so i buy it"

There could have been a problem in that you are not building a CPU - you are building a complete computer with RAM, Program memory and display memory.

The RP4CE6 has 270Kbit RAM and looks to use an 18 bit memory organisation? That makes it around 30720 words equivalent of RAM (30K words)

In the nand2tetris design, the display uses 8K words. I cannot remember how big the program memory and working RAM are - will they all fit in 30K ?
If so, you have got a bargain!

 

[michael1978]

There could have been a problem in that you are not building a CPU - you are building a complete computer with RAM, Program memory and display memory.

The RP4CE6 has 270Kbit RAM and looks to use an 18 bit memory organisation? That makes it around 30720 words equivalent of RAM (30K words)

In the nand2tetris design, the display uses 8K words. I cannot remember how big the program memory and working RAM are - will they all fit in 30K ?
If so, you have got a bargain!

ah you are specialist of chip ;-))) , i think RAM 16K and ROM 32K, but i think i can use to 65K RAM, he have more then enough Ram memory
i buliding all components, and i am learning, when i finish al components i come back here …..

thank a lot.....
have a nice night
greetings

 

[michael1978]

There could have been a problem in that you are not building a CPU - you are building a complete computer with RAM, Program memory and display memory.

The RP4CE6 has 270Kbit RAM and looks to use an 18 bit memory organisation? That makes it around 30720 words equivalent of RAM (30K words)

In the nand2tetris design, the display uses 8K words. I cannot remember how big the program memory and working RAM are - will they all fit in 30K ?
If so, you have got a bargain!

Hello

man can you help me for display

what i need to do to connect the display i mean in vhdl?

 

[rjenkinsgb]

man can you help me for display

what i need to do to connect the display i mean in vhdl?

I've given you all the info you need earlier in this thread, complete with some logic circuits in the test pattern generator design.
Keep reading and re-reading that until you understand it.